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Old 02-03-2015, 05:28 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I had talked with a Suzuki dealer a few months ago and said they were hoping that the basic version would be listed at $11990 drive away in Australia. I have been interested in this car since I found out about it over a year ago was hoping they would sell us the duel jet motor only but there web site here in Australia has only listed the basic single injector engine with a fuel economy rating of 4.7 l/100klm that is worse then the Alto that it is replacing
And worse then the es manual Mitsubishi Mirage at 4.6 l/100klm

Really hoping they bring the duel jet out soon and that it actually gets the claimed 3.6 l/100klm that they report for other markets.

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Old 03-06-2015, 01:12 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well I got a chance to drive a Celerio today, it was the CTV version (it has a 2 speed ancillary gearbox on it to allow a wider gear range) and is a true single speed ctv.
Yes road noise is there but better than a couple of similar cars in the same class, motor at low rpm is silent and easy to drive in those rpm's but that means you can hear the road noise as there is no motor sound.

110 kph is at 2,000 rpm and on smooth roads makes for a very quiet ride.
Idle is slightly lumpy as you can feel the 3 cylinder beat but not hear it, steep hills the cvt runs the engine up to 6,000 rpm and adjusts the gears as needed motor becomes vocal but sounds good (I like 3 cylinder engines).
I left the lot with 6km/l on the gauge (engine had maybe 10 km on it) and returned after a short and not gentle drive with 16km/l and it was still climbing the longer I drove, I suspect returning economy in the 4l/100km range would be doable with little effort.

Seriously considering buying one, just want to test a few others to be sure.

Anyone know anything about the current Polo? dearer but combined fuel consumption of 4.5 l/100km and a lot higher torque.

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I had talked with a Suzuki dealer a few months ago and said they were hoping that the basic version would be listed at $11990 drive away in Australia. I have been interested in this car since I found out about it over a year ago was hoping they would sell us the duel jet motor only but there web site here in Australia has only listed the basic single injector engine with a fuel economy rating of 4.7 l/100klm that is worse then the Alto that it is replacing
And worse then the es manual Mitsubishi Mirage at 4.6 l/100klm

Really hoping they bring the duel jet out soon and that it actually gets the claimed 3.6 l/100klm that they report for other markets.

Cheers jamie
The Auto gets better economy than the auto Alto plus only needs 91 ron as opposed to 95 ron.

Reviews indicate real world consumption for the mirage is significantly worse than the Celerio.
The following I assume would be normal testing not driving for economy:

Of the duo, the larger-engined Mirage actually claims to drink less fuel, but its combined cycle claim of 4.6 litres per 100 kilometres blew out to 6.5L/100km on test. Over the same mixed loop, the Celerios 4.8L/100km claim shifted less substantially, to an exceptional 5.8L/100km.
Read more at Suzuki Celerio v Mitsubishi Mirage : Comparison review
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im considering getting the Suzuki alto. the celerio is replacing the alto. 2nd hand I can get one for around 7k USD$ 1 year old and about 20 000 miles in the clock. I recently saw a local car show testing the auto version of the celerio. they loved every aspect of the car and it got a big thumbs up, except the gearbox. they also said it is slow and unresponsive, but then again car shows are never about FE they always floor everything they test. I would test drive both versions I think in hilly terrain like where I stay the auto would be a little less efficient than the manual. the older alto is claimed at a highway consumtion of 3.8l/100km. reading a few customer reviews and comments that figure is not far off with them claiming around 4 to 4.2 l/100km.
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That would be the AGM gear box, in Australia we are getting the CVT and having read more reviews I suspect the car show was probably right about the automated manual gearbox they promise great economy.
I have had a full CVT car before and the gearbox is unbeatable for an auto on a small engine.
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Automated single-clutch manuals in general simply suck. They all seem programmed with an overly cautious algorithm that seeks to preserve the gearbox.

We tested one of those things (on a BYD F0) last year. Took almost thirty seconds to hit highway speeds, where the manual took half the time. It wasn't even about the lack of power... the gearbox simply refused to shift in less than two seconds.

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Hyundai makes some fantastic small cars. And good news is, seems like they're going to sell the Grand i10 in Australia next year.
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Anyone know anything about the current Polo? dearer but combined fuel consumption of 4.5 l/100km and a lot higher torque.
Carefully consider VW AU parts and servicing costs first, all VW's have 'issues' according to my mechanic. I'd look at a Fiat Punto 1.2 for around $14K it's a lot of car. If you don't mind two doors consider a Fiat 500 Pop and get some style and really strong residuals. 60mpg (imp) real world is entirely possible from Fiat's 1.2's.
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Carefully consider VW AU parts and servicing costs first. I'd look at a Fiat Punto 1.2 for around $14K it's a lot of car. If you don't mind two doors consider a Fiat 500 Pop and get some style and really strong residuals. 60mpg (imp) real world is entirely possible from Fiat's 1.2's.
Yeah, thats what worries me, the servicing is capped for 5 years and only annual but parts and repair costs after the 3 year warranty are a concern, hopefully the dsg issues are all in the past

To many people I have chatted with have had issues with Fiats re parts (Tasmania) and disliking their dual logic automatic.

Any car we get must be 5 door, small, auto, high-ish seats and light steering.
I suspect the Celerio will be the winner
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Replace 'in general' with 'universally'.



Replace 'cars' with 'appliances'.

Technically, yes. The Elantra is just above average and the Accent is generally miserable... but the new Grand i10 is a fantastic piece of work. As if Hyundai pirated some of the more intelligent chassis and suspension engineers from their European competitors just for that car.

Only thing missing is better interior plastics (nothing in this class is great, anyway) and better steering feel.

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