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Old 11-01-2013, 01:39 PM   #91 (permalink)
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All i will say about that is people who have the above skills in "traditional" aspects of both gender roles are more appealing to the opposite sex.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I said that people who aren't crossing traditional gender-specific aptitude roles, are missing out on a lot of good experience and accomplishments... was that unclear?

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Old 11-01-2013, 07:02 PM   #92 (permalink)
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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I said that people who aren't crossing traditional gender-specific aptitude roles, are missing out on a lot of good experience and accomplishments... was that unclear?
I was being lazy, so i quoted you and changed two words to get at what i wanted to say, instead of writing my own sentence.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:59 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Exceptions to generalizations (gender roles) aren't to the point. If one does not understand the larger context of how and where car ownership is (or can be) income-producing or income-offsetting then the protestations are moot.

A family that cooks, bottles, cans and preserves its own food saves more over time than one that buys pre-packaged foodstuff. And if they can earn a little on the side from cooking goods for sale, so much the better.

Yes, not to mention concerns over health. We agree here, throughout, I believe.

A person who doesn't own a car or need one... who uses the barest minimum transportation possible... like public transport, a bicycle or a motorcycle, doesn't have to spend on a garage. It's only people who need to travel a huge number of miles a day (say... home service providers, contractors, taxi drivers) who will see a big benefit from car ownership.

An apartment dweller needs next to nothing, per se, in comparison to a home owner when it comes to personal transportation. A single-family dwelling takes time, energy and money not needed by other types.

Eating, however, everyone needs to do.


I'd say that repairs and maintenance are nearly as important. One can "farm out" cooking, so, inversely, why do we farm out repairs/maintenance, much of which can be learned? When the prototypical response is about tech qualifications per machinery, I'd counter with same as to butchering, etc. I'd say that heated/cooled work space (as with a kitchen) needs to be extended to vehicles and other househould maintenance. Whether one envisions a greatly expanded laundry room for this function, or a huge garage, thusly, the principle remains in relation to an overdone kitchen where the microwave and fridge are the true centerpieces in homes today.

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Old 11-05-2013, 02:34 PM   #94 (permalink)
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My transportation needs are met by: firstly, a bicycle; secondly, the city bus which I can ride with no out-of-pocket cost; and finally, a 2-door sedan with a camper conversion interior for road trips.

Also someone who has never purchased a new car. The one I'm driving was purchased out of a farmer's field.

Edit: Oh, I see it's a 10-page thread this time. I'll go back and read the rest.
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I think the 'why millenials don't buy new cars' question breaks down into 2 parts. Why don't some millenials buy cars at all, and why do the millenials who buy cars not buy them new. As a millenial (30 yrs. old) who got my license on my 16th birthday and have been driving ever since, I can't answer for my peers who choose not to drive. But I can answer for me. I don't buy new cars because they are too expensive. End of story.

Even if I could afford a new car, and I'm sure there are some new cars I could afford if I was willing to make payments, it doesn't make any financial sense.

I bought a fun, economical, sports car for $2500 that still had 200,000 miles of life in it with nothing more needed than routine maintenance. Why pay 8-10 times that for the latest model?

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