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Old 05-28-2014, 01:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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GM also made a G5 XFE. In 09-10 if it has a 2.2 and manual only thing that might be keeping it from being a XFE is the tires. I looked for several months before I found mine, found a few other before but were non AC cars. I have sate radio, onstar, ac and a spare in my LS XFE. I have 195/65-15 vs KT's 195/60-15's.

Paid $350 more for hers with same miles (26k) but with PW & PL and nicer seats, front end damaged is all repaired where mine has the hail dent's that gave it a salvage title.

I wonder if the same combo was used in a Saturn?

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Old 05-28-2014, 01:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The xfe wasn't its own trim level, at least for 09 and 10, you could get a base, ls, or lt with xfe
Yes but what is the difference between a base LT XFE and a base XFE car?

I can tell you that the interior is identical

The seats are identical

The wheels are identical (there is an option on the LT)

Both could come in 2 door and 4 door (though GM tended to not produce 2 door LTs and tended not to make 4 door xfes, that said you could order however you want)

The LT had a few extra exterior colors

The base LT had cruise control standard, Base XFE (and LS) was optional

Spare was optional on both (but almost ways included except on cobalts with no lables and no XFE)

Spoiler was optional on both (but from the factory the XFE tended to have it and the LT and unlabled cobalts did not)


So for an additional fee you could get
1. Cruise control standard instead of optional
2. 4 doors on the lot instead of having to order it special
3. A blue color instead of the 3 or 4 XFE colors also offered on the LT
4. The ability to buy other options not offered on the XFE but also not standard on the LT.

Add to this the 5mt cars that weren't labled XFE almost always were generic white 4 door cars with no options, I even found one without AC

The ones labled XFE off the lot almost always were 2 door with a spoiler, onstar, spare tire, AC

Likely not worth it, odd how their upsell system worked back then.

Almost everything was the same between the Cobalt models on cars you could actually buy off the lot, the only one that really was different was the SS which isn't worth mentioning for fuel economy.

So whether GM stated that the unlabled base cobalt and XFE labled cobalt were not packages the XFE always came with some sort of "Standard options package" whereas the Cobalt with no badges tended to come with nothing. I know because I looked all over for manual transmission cars and unless someone had ordered it special you basically never saw a true base cobalt, XFEs always had the spare and spoiler and LTs were very very rare to have a MT.

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I just searched Vancouver (BC) Craigslist for "XFE". None. Zero.
Then I searched Seattle Craigslist for "XFE". None. Zero.
Hmmmm....
Funny, I watched the video and did exactly the same thing with the same results (well, Seattle only) before reading any further posts.

As the video says, I suspect most people are unaware of what they have.

I'm also not clear on what years had it ('08-'10?) and if it is just Coupes, or Sedans too? Is the only way to tell the little XFE badge on the trunk?
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I don't have a spoiler on my LS XFE, Katies LT auto does.

I like them as they are as simple of a car as can be made then. Today ESC is required which almost always includes ABS and TC. Decent room around the engine for service when required. Good power for the occasional run thru the gears. I like the actual air pressure in every tire, the instant mpg, ave mpg, ave spd, range to empty, 2 trip meters, and remaining oil life. Battery's in the truck so I think it will last a long time.

Biggest down after almost 70,000 is the light grey seats show dirt/stains.
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I've seen coupes and sedan, but coupes seem more common to me, only sedan I found when looking for mine was a white one without AC. 2008 seems to be the first year according to FE.gov rated 36 hwy, 09-10 were upped to 37 hwy.

GM thinned down the engine options in 09-10 to either 2.2 or 2.0 turbo and only one manual tranny for 2.2 so any 2.2 with manual will get the XFE gears (lower finals than 08's).

08 had 2.4, 2.2 and 2.0 turbo all with manuals available. I don't know if they changed the gears in the XFE in 08 vs non XFEs.
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I see them fairly often, actually. I really, really want to like them. Unfortunately, my ex-gf's Cobalt SS soured me. Piss poor materials, horrendous panel alignment, electrical problems all over the place (dead guages, intermittent interior lighting, etc), the usual GM issues of the time.

It (and the few others I test drove) did drive pretty nice though, and it's hard to argue with the XFE's numbers. Plus, the two door Cobalt looked pretty good (four door was an afterthought, and looked/felt like it). An example that's mostly intact today would be hard to pass up, especially at the prices they're going for.

Certainly a massive step up from the Cavalier.

I disagree that advertising (or lack thereof) was the XFE's biggest problem. Wasn't this only available in a stick? Those don't exactly sell all that well here. Plus, a car like the Prius gets great milage with all the luxuries that people want. A stripped-down economy car is a harder sell, especially back when loans for nicer cars were easier to get.
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I see them fairly often, actually. I really, really want to like them. Unfortunately, my ex-gf's Cobalt SS soured me. Piss poor materials, horrendous panel alignment, electrical problems all over the place (dead guages, intermittent interior lighting, etc), the usual GM issues of the time.

It (and the few others I test drove) did drive pretty nice though, and it's hard to argue with the XFE's numbers. Plus, the two door Cobalt looked pretty good (four door was an afterthought, and looked/felt like it). An example that's mostly intact today would be hard to pass up, especially at the prices they're going for.

Certainly a massive step up from the Cavalier.

I disagree that advertising (or lack thereof) was the XFE's biggest problem. Wasn't this only available in a stick? Those don't exactly sell all that well here. Plus, a car like the Prius gets great milage with all the luxuries that people want. A stripped-down economy car is a harder sell, especially back when loans for nicer cars were easier to get.
Cavaliers and sunfires have pretty good reliability though so was really that much better? I might be biased but I think cavaliers and sunfires just get a bad rap because of the drivers who own them. Think about it, the majority of people who have them use them as beaters and do t really take care of them but they continue to run. Kids just getting there licenses get them as first cars and you all know how well they care for there cars. My sunfire was originally owned by a friend who sold it to my aunt it was driven all around as a commuter car but properly maintained and cared for and now that I have it there aren't any issues with it. Considering the original cost it's worked out to be a pretty good deal and it hasn't needed any repairs or anything other than just regular maintenance. So if you experience was that bad with the cobalt then I'll stick to my crappy old sunfire any day at least everything works.
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Cavaliers and sunfires have pretty good reliability though so was really that much better? I might be biased but I think cavaliers and sunfires just get a bad rap because of the drivers who own them. Think about it, the majority of people who have them use them as beaters and do t really take care of them but they continue to run. Kids just getting there licenses get them as first cars and you all know how well they care for there cars. My sunfire was originally owned by a friend who sold it to my aunt it was driven all around as a commuter car but properly maintained and cared for and now that I have it there aren't any issues with it. Considering the original cost it's worked out to be a pretty good deal and it hasn't needed any repairs or anything other than just regular maintenance. So if you experience was that bad with the cobalt then I'll stick to my crappy old sunfire any day at least everything works.
Cavaliers and Sunfires were essentially late 1970's designed compact cars. That J-body platform was ancient and not all that great to begin with (although to its credit my '83 J2000 was still kickin' way beyond it's sell-by date), and it performed as such:
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It wasn't a particularly good ride, either. Drive that early '00s Cavalier back to back with a Neon, Focus, Civic, or what have you. They were all better. The Cobalt's ride and handling was a night and day difference compared to the Cavalier/Sunfire.

Understanding just how long GM had kept the J-body going in the US, were they necessarily bad cars by the time they were put to pasture? Probably not. Cheap, fairly reliable, basic cars. That said, having them around well after everyone else had gotten something far newer was a poor business decision (especially with the rather damning crash test ratings). Bad for GM's image, bad for American-based car manufacturer's image.

I will admit, I did like the late-model Cavalier styling. GM went a little too toned down with the Cobalt. Though that said, J2000 > All.

Same model and wheels as mine, though mine had far more rust and most certainly did not attract the ladies
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Wanted a turbo sunbird way back then, but settle for a non-turbo, traded it off a couple years later when it started drinking antifreeze.
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Wanted a turbo sunbird way back then, but settle for a non-turbo, traded it off a couple years later when it started drinking antifreeze.
Those were sweet, though (to completely derail the thread) a company was inserting the turbo Sunbird powertrain into Fiero's for a bit. Having owned both, the Fiero would be far more fun

Was your 'bird a V6?

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