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Old 12-22-2016, 10:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
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They're VW groups attempt to cash in on the huge success of the first generation Peugeot 107/Citroen C1, and stole many design and styling cues from them.

More plushly appointed, but 100 or so kg heavier, relatively cramped compared to the PSA product, and plagued with faults. Conversely, the PSA cars were less refined but on the road felt peppier, and gave better economy (compared engine-for-engine). The PSA cars were cheaper to service and were above average for reliability, and for a while they were so popular the 107 was the lowest depreciating car on sale in the UK.

Aside from the moral issues with the VW group products and the companies behaviour, the Up!, Citygo and Mii simply weren't worth the extra money at the time. Now sales of Diddy cars have declined somewhat in Europe and buyers are moving their sights up towards the Fiesta sized class VW group are having the slash prices to punt them out. Even then, I'd try and find one of the last 107's than buy a Mii.
The present weight difference between a new C1 and Mii is only 20 kg - 840 kg vs 860 kg. The real world fuel consumption figures would appear to back this up. However, when the C1 etc first appeared some 11 years ago I believe they were a good bit lighter - possibly just under 800 kg.

The toyota engine used in the C1/107/108/Aygo has always had about 68 bhp whereas the vw engine has been 60 until recently. This must explain some of the acceleration difference.

See table in first post for mass and real world avg fuel consumption.

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Old 12-23-2016, 03:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Get the Eco version.
Remove interior finish to reduce weight.
Wear hearing protection when driving.
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I just love to knock the Geo Metros every chance I get. I gotta get a dig in whenever possible.

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