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Old 02-20-2015, 12:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 02-20-2015, 12:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe he should be designing the cars. Wonder if he can figure out how to shut my DRLs off.
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Maybe he should be designing the cars. Wonder if he can figure out how to shut my DRLs off.
Separate DRLs or headlights used as such ?

It can be done using software - doesn't mean a regular dealership can / will do it though.
If they're mandatory on the car, don't expect them to do so ...
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Separate DRLs or headlights used as such ?

It can be done using software - doesn't mean a regular dealership can / will do it though.
If they're mandatory on the car, don't expect them to do so ...


Headlights used as DRL's. Seems there is no easy option like a fuse or relay to be removed. They can be shut off manually but are on every time the car is restarted. I will keep investigating though.
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I found a thread at Focus Fanatics from a couple years ago where a user who works at a dealership says it's in the BCM and can be disabled at the dealership. Can be, but YMMV: I would have cheerfully paid my Subaru store to disable mine, but they refused. 10 minutes of Googling later I had the DRL module unplugged on my own.
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It's one thing when DARPA does it. It's entirely another when Joe Sixpack's teenage kid can hack in.

I've never owned anything with a CAN bus. I'll keep it that way for the foreseeable future.
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CANbus isn't the problem, it's features like remote unlock/start and updating iTunes while the car is parked in the garage. A DB-9 serial interface would require breaking into the car.

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CANbus isn't the problem, it's features like remote unlock/start and updating iTunes while the car is parked in the garage. A DB-9 serial interface would require breaking into the car.

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Well, CAN bus is a significant part of the problem... When someone hacks into a car, it's the CAN bus that they are manipulating to make the car do various things.

This can be done over cell networks and Wi-Fi on cars that are equipped with it... but it can also be accessed through Bluetooth which is on most, if not all, cars that utilize a CAN bus. Granted, the range is less with Bluetooth, but there is still a lot that can be done.

EDIT: I had read a report explaining much of this and just found it again:
Comprehensive Experimental Analyses of Automotive Attack Surfaces
It covers methods for connecting to a car via Bluetooth in section 4.3
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Thanks. I had also read something that I had to go find again.

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Car Hacker's Handbook by OpenGarages
Car Hacker's Handbook

I'll have to do a side-by-side comparison. The Handbook is oriented to doing penetration testing on your own vehicle (white hat stuff). It at v0.x at this point, lots of stubs.

I presume that the Electric Vehicle conversion I'm not making progress on will use CAN Bus. From watching EVTV I take it that rolling your own, you can have multiple CAN Buses; one for infotainment and another for the mission critical stuff.

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