Some European Safety Lemons

[cr45]

I have been browsing the EuroNCAP website - they are the regulatory authority in Europe for the testing of cars for safety. They award a ranking system with 5 stars being the safest and 0 stars being the least safe.

Now for a good few years now cars have been scoring 4 to 5 stars so I was taken back to discover that a couple of cars have actually scored zero stars.

Fiat Panda 2018
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/34191

Fiat Punto 2017
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/punto/29849

Jeep Wrangler 2018
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192

The Jeep actually got 1 star.

Best not to put any of these vehicles on a future buy list!

[oldtamiyaphile]

I don't get it. The Panda and Punto came out a decade ago so of course they're not going to get 5 stars when tested today...

[jcp123]

Safety is the least reason I buy a car, behind emissions.

Gub’ment can try, but I’ll buy what I want, and my tastes tend to run counter to both of those.

Neither my wife nor I have ever shopped on either of those premises.

[iikhod]

Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile

I don't get it. The Panda and Punto came out a decade ago so of course they're not going to get 5 stars when tested today...

Well not those fiats that were tested, they were 2017 and 2018 models...
Now what i wonder is what went wrong over the years, at least the punto has been doing pretty well regarding safety

[jakobnev]

IIRC the Fiats got bad ratings because they lacked driver assist features, not because they were so terrible in actual craches.

[Lemmy]

A couple of years ago the NCAP system was rejigged entirely. Up to the point nearly every car was new 5 star, so they've essentially moved the bar higher for occupant safety, and introduce a slew of new pedestrian safety tests, as wellman tests for active safety systems.

The Panda scored 3 stars in 2015, so wouldn't have been remarkable then. The exact same same car now scores zero - not because its got any worse, but because the testing system has changed radically. You're as safe today driving a Panda as you were 4 years ago.

[oldtamiyaphile]

Safety is an Expensive Illusion:

https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012...sive-illusion/

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile

Safety is an Expensive Illusion:

https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012...sive-illusion/

I love the Redd Foxx routine, "you're gonna' feel like a damn fool lying 'bout the hospital dying of nutin' "
https://youtu.be/6grI16niGXA

[cr45]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

A couple of years ago the NCAP system was rejigged entirely. Up to the point nearly every car was new 5 star, so they've essentially moved the bar higher for occupant safety, and introduce a slew of new pedestrian safety tests, as wellman tests for active safety systems.

The Panda scored 3 stars in 2015, so wouldn't have been remarkable then. The exact same same car now scores zero - not because its got any worse, but because the testing system has changed radically. You're as safe today driving a Panda as you were 4 years ago.

The major testing shakeup was in 2009.

The Fiat Panda was last tested in 2011.

The fiat Panda is a very dangerous car, particularly for rear seat passengers and children.

Click on the drop down arrows for Adult Occupant and Child Occupant.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/34191

There are 24 pts up for grabs with respect to child safety from doing the crash tests and the Panda scores a big fat zero.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-...wFitment=false

The overall score for child safety is 16% out of a possible 100%.

[cr45]

Originally Posted by jakobnev

IIRC the Fiats got bad ratings because they lacked driver assist features, not because they were so terrible in actual craches.

Incorrect!

The poor score is predominantly due to the poor crash test results.

The Panda received 0 out of a possible 24 pts for child safety in the actual crash tests.

They use 6 and 10 year old equivalent crash test dummys for these tests.

Hence this is one very dangerous car to be carrying young children in!