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Old 11-18-2010, 04:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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TDI or just TD (intercooler yes or no)

Hello everybody... im back whit a new project.

I just bought a VW Golf 1 from 1983 (in US known as VW Rabbit) whit a 1.9 TDI engine. The prevorious owner replaiced the 1.3 or 1.5 engine whit a 1.9 TD and a zelf made intercooler. Now i'm wondering what would be better for FE?

Intercooler means it's cooling the compressed air down before injecting in to the engine for more power. A turbo also means more power but when driving normaly it's better for FE.

It also has 2 fuel pumps because when going Full Throttle the machine gets to few diesel. It feels like a race car when hitting the gas... Think about to remove the second fuel pump.

I have no numbers jet because i just bought the car yesterday.

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Old 11-18-2010, 05:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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any chance of photos, as I'd like to see whether its a TD or a PD TDI lump. that'll give us a better idea of FE
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Don't have any pics yet. At least no good ones. Will make some tomorrow. What do you mean whit "lump"?
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:16 AM   #4 (permalink)
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sorry that was 'Brit' speak lump = engine becuse I thought (waiting to be proven wrong) but I thought TD were single pumps
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Old 11-18-2010, 11:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Its not a PD (pump duse) they didnt come out until the late 2000s maybe 05 or 06?
His Golf should have a distributor pump and a pre VNT turbo.
TDI stands for Turbo Direct Injection, it does not refer to the intercooler.
The inter cooler helps both fuel efficiency and power, so leave it.Same goes for the pumps, the higher the pressure the better for FE and power. The new Mercedees diesel in the Smart is running 22,000 psi !
Check out Fred's TDI Page. TDIClub.com. VW TDI Enthusiast Community for some good info.
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With a diesel, the intercooler will add power. It should have a minimal to nonexistent effect on FE. Basically, by allowing more dense air in, you can add more fuel to get more power, but being that diesels regulate power by fuel input, and run lean when not floored, it doesn't effect fuel use for a given power output.

Also, FWIW, TDI has nothing to do with intercooled vs not. TDI stands for Turbocharged Direct Injection, in contrast with the older IDI (indirect injection) diesels.
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An intercooler improves fuel economy providing it isn't too much of an air flow restriction.

The book "The Diesel Reference Handbook, 2nd Edition" covers this quite well. Note it can be found on the web under the name the diesel Necronomicon.

The Diesel Necronomicon - Diesel Bombers

The important part in the text From section 2.5.2 (also look at figure 2.43).

"Consider first engine performance with and without a charge
air cooler, with no change in maximum fuelling. Results from
an engine operating over a wide speed range are shown in Figure
2.43. Intercooling obviously reduces inlet manifold temperature
substantially and this effect is followed right through the cycle,
lowering heat transferred to the cylinders and the turbine inlet
temperature. The latter results in a drop in specific energy at the
turbine, hence boost pressure will also reduce, but not enough
to offset the density gain due to the lower charge temperature.
Thus air flow increases and overall, the total turbine power
does increase. The air-fuel ratio will be weakened, leading to a
reduction of specific fuel consumption of near 6%. The gain in
b.m.e.p. will be similar."
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The new Mercedees diesel in the Smart is running 22,000 psi !
The latest common rail systems that I work on are up to 39,000 psi. Plenty enough to saw your finger off if you loosen the wrong fitting at the wrong time, hence all the warning labels.
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TDI stands for Turbo Direct Injection, it does not refer to the intercooler.
Its worth noting that some manufacturers (*cough Ford *cough) tried to rebrand TDI as Turbo Diesel Intercooller on some of their (frankly bl**dy awful) Turbo IDI models in the late 90s early 00s when they discovered what an intercooller was.
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Thanks for the information.

So fyi i have a 1.9 Turbo Diesel whitout injection. The engine is from a transporter/caravelle. I will make some foto's of it.

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