Terrorist attack on Saudi oil

[jakobnev]

the definition of terrorism is an attack by a non-nation group without having declared war.

There are 99 definitions of terrorism but that ain't one.

To snip a bit from wikipedia:

The following criteria of violence or threat of violence fall outside of the definition of terrorism:[5][6]

wartime (including a declared war) or peacetime acts of violence committed by a nation state against another nation state regardless of legality or illegality that are carried out by properly uniformed forces or legal combatants of such nation states
reasonable acts of self-defense, such as the use of force to kill, apprehend, or punish criminals who pose a threat to the lives of humans or property
legitimate targets in war, such as enemy combatants and strategic infrastructure that form an integral part of the enemy's war effort
collateral damage, including the infliction of incidental damage to non-combatant targets during an attack on or attempting to attack legitimate targets in war

The oil fuels the war, both literally and economically.

[oil pan 4]

If this had happened in 2013 gasoline prices would already be up another $1 gallon.

Not that I care either way. I drive a leaf now.

[Xist]

Fuel prices affect the cost of goods and services.

[oil pan 4]

It effects you way more when you have that going on and you have to feed a gas guzzler.

[freebeard]

Methinks you snipped a little too much.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

U.S. law

Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of terrorism in their national legislation.

U.S. Code Title 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience".[42]

18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism":

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law; Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.

Cite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

[jakobnev]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Methinks you snipped a little too much.

Methinks not, you see all the sections you quoted talk about the motive being to influence, intimidate or coerce. (An attack on resources is instead intended to have a direct effect on the war.)

Just by the attacker being a non-nation group and not having declared war isn't enough to qualify for something to be a terrorist attack. (There is a reason the word has "Terror" in it.)

[freebeard]

[shrug]

I wasn't commenting on motives, but the parts in bold: 'U.S. law' and '(i)... (ii)... (iii)'.

I apologize for using 'methinks'.

The latest I heard was it was cruise missiles, likely purchased with U.S.money from the Obama administration. Remember the pallet loads of cash?

[All Darc]

How many times along history USA was a terrorist???

[freebeard]

About average? More importantly have we gotten any better in the last little while?

Was the [false flag] missile scare in Hawaii terrorism? It let North Korea know they were endangered by their own weapons program and brought them to the table.

Hurricane Dorian was headed straight to the Port St. Lucie nuclear plant; then it did a sit-and-spin on the Chinese bases in The Bahamas. Was that terrorism?

Other than that haven't we been doing pretty well?

[jakobnev]

Originally Posted by All Darc

How many times along history USA was a terrorist???

So many times that Americans always feel the need to push terrorism definitions that explicitly exclude state actors from being terrorists.