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Old 01-09-2020, 11:04 AM   #411 (permalink)
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Quote: "According to Wikipedia both sides had pilots crash deliberately into enemy ships or planes when their own planes were damaged and unable to return. Just to be sure and to maintain neutrality I vow to never buy a Grumman, Curtiss or Lockheed car."

I scanned that Wiki article to see what this attempt at neutrality was, and found the following:

"Before the formation of kamikaze units, pilots had made deliberate crashes as a last resort when their planes had suffered severe damage and they did not want to risk being captured, or wanted to do as much damage to the enemy as possible, since they were crashing anyway. Such situations occurred in both the Axis and Allied air forces. Axell and Kase see these suicides as "individual, impromptu decisions by men who were mentally prepared to die". In most cases, little evidence exists that such hits represented more than accidental collisions of the kind that sometimes happen in intense sea or air battles."

Well, I got to say that is mighty thin soup to serve in an attempt to find any equivalency in what a handful of Allied pilots may have done vs the Japanese policy to specifically obtain, train and send thousands of pilots on suicide missions. The Japanese had a culture that accommodated such activity, which also resulted in such activities as Banzai charges as a last desperate attempt to avoid capture during the island campaigns.

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I will never buy a Fokker or a Messerschmitt.
Hmmm... Are you sure?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_KR200


That with the guts of a Zero motorbike would be awesome as a wonky commuter.
Avoid barbers though.

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Well, I got to say that is mighty thin soup to serve in an attempt to find any equivalency in what a handful of Allied pilots may have done vs the Japanese policy to specifically obtain, train and send thousands of pilots on suicide missions. The Japanese had a culture that accommodated such activity, which also resulted in such activities as Banzai charges as a last desperate attempt to avoid capture during the island campaigns.
True, but it is also true that the prearranged suicide missions only started when Japan was facing an impossible situation, namely the loss of most of their carrier fleet and the inability to make up for that. So they occupied most of the western Pacific ocean but were extremely vulnerable at the same time, inevitably coming under siege. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and so it happened.

From Japanese WW2 perspective they were heroes defending their land while paying the ultimate price.
In hindsight it was bad for all, never mind perspective, as the war could have ended earlier without kamikaze with less casualties on all sides.
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All manufacturers are responsible for the death of someone. It just depends on where your parents were born and where you were born.

And it all happened before most of us were born. How things came to be from a historical point is not a very Entertaining type of approach. Rather if you purchase something now, where will the funds go and how will they be used is what you should be thinking.

If one is really bothered, one could try to find and restore a Monteverdi, Enzmann or Sbarro.
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I never understood why pizzas were cut that way, but now all is clear!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbarro_(automobile)
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Ps: all the cars are Swiss. They remained neutral in the world wars.

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