Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-11-2012, 08:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
EcoModding Alien Observer
 
suspectnumber961's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: I flitter here and there
Posts: 547

highcountryexplorer - '86 Nissan 720 KC 4x4 ST with fiberglass cap
90 day: 21.78 mpg (US)

Elroy - '03 Ford Focus ZX3 w/Zetec DOHC engine
90 day: 32.89 mpg (US)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 78 Times in 65 Posts
Gasoline deliveries tanking...so to speak...

charles hugh smith-Why Is Gasoline Consumption Tanking?





Retail gasoline deliveries, already well below 1980 levels, have absolutely fallen off a cliff. Is the plunge inventory-related, i.e. are storage facilities so full that retailers are simply putting off deliveries?

Though I don't have data on hand to support this, I know from one of my correspondents who is in the gasoline distribution/delivery business that gasoline is very much a "just in time" commodity: gas stations are often close to running out of fuel when they get a delivery. Stations aren't holding huge quantities of surplus gasoline; that's not how the business works.

Given the absence of "extra storage" in gas stations (and the fact that the number of gas stations has fallen dramatically since 1980), it is reasonable to conclude that retail delivery is largely a function of demand, i.e. gasoline consumption.

Even if you dismiss the recent plunge as an outlier, the declines in retail gasoline deliveries are mind-boggling. If you look at the data from 1983 to 2011 on the link above, you will note that delivery declines align with recessions.

...

What other plausible explanation is there for the decline from 42.4 MGD in July 2011 to 30.9 MGD in November 2011 other than a dramatic decline in discretionary driving? That 27% drop in a few months in unprecedented, except in times of war or sharp economic contraction, i.e. recession.

__________________
Carry on humans...we are extremely proud of you. ..................

Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. GALLUP POLL
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 02-11-2012, 08:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
So I'm just incredulous, looking at the graph of declining use, thinking "This cannot be. There are ever more ***holes clogging up my street and town and local highways and state and nation and world than ever before".

THIS U.S. Energy Information Administration graph looks different:



4-Week Avg U.S. Product Supplied of Finished Motor Gasoline (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Are they measuring the same thing? Does one have imports/exports and one not?

It has dropped since '08, but only to '00 levels. Step back and the curve undeniably has relentlessly gone up. We are in a dip... will it continue?
__________________



Last edited by Frank Lee; 02-11-2012 at 08:41 AM.. Reason: added pic
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 08:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
nemo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: US
Posts: 1,015

Chief - '06 Pontiac Grand Prix
90 day: 26.7 mpg (US)

SF1 - '12 Ford Fiesta S
90 day: 30.95 mpg (US)
Thanks: 195
Thanked 247 Times in 190 Posts
The only plausible answer is Ecomodder.com.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 08:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
EcoModding Alien Observer
 
suspectnumber961's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: I flitter here and there
Posts: 547

highcountryexplorer - '86 Nissan 720 KC 4x4 ST with fiberglass cap
90 day: 21.78 mpg (US)

Elroy - '03 Ford Focus ZX3 w/Zetec DOHC engine
90 day: 32.89 mpg (US)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 78 Times in 65 Posts
The difference might be what is being exported?

That was (is) the focus of the XLPipeline....to get the tar sands oil to the refiners on the gulf coast to export refined products?

Remember....it is always about control and exploitation for profit?


They claim it's about jobs and oil...but it's really about profits for the 1%?

All you've got to do is keep them dumb and confused....and if that fails there is always the security state?
__________________
Carry on humans...we are extremely proud of you. ..................

Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. GALLUP POLL
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 11:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
OCD Master EcoModder
 
brucepick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Eastern CT, USA
Posts: 1,936

Outasight - '00 Honda Insight
Team Honda
Gen-1 Insights
90 day: 54.18 mpg (US)
Thanks: 431
Thanked 396 Times in 264 Posts
I'm sure there's a fair bit of this going on:

Three people at work, coming back from lunch, noticed my car with the "48 MPG" sticker on the window and the aero rear deck spoiler that was on at the time. So I answered their questions and told them what I was up to, and yes, I really was getting 48 mpg at the time (now 50+).

I learned that one of them was commuting over an hour in some big SUV.
Next thing I knew, she'd traded it for a Civic and is now happily getting 38 mpg. She was very pleased that she drove to Georgia (and back?) from CT for $120 gas cost.
__________________
Coast long and prosper.
Driving '00 Honda Insight, acquired Feb 2016.


  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 11:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,209
Thanks: 225
Thanked 811 Times in 594 Posts
People trading their gas-sucking oversized pickups for noisy diesel-sucking "lookit me, I'm a big bad trucker!" pickups?
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 12:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
GRU
Master EcoModder
 
GRU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Windsor ON Canada
Posts: 373

silver bullet - '00 Honda Civic
90 day: 34.41 mpg (US)
Thanks: 21
Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts
Hmm the US population has gone up more than 35 % (about 85 mil people more) since 1980 so i don't see the fuel consumption going down, that first graph doesn't show that we use less fuel now than 30 years ago
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 12:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Knoxville TN
Posts: 96
Thanks: 1
Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Are they measuring just the deliveries to each individual retail gas station location? If so, there are tons of gas stations popping up all over. More places to pump gas with slightly more ***holes clogging the road means lest sales to go around even tho the same or more overall sales go up or stay the same= less individual deliveries of gas. "spread the wealth and everyone gets short changed"
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 02:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: california
Posts: 1,329
Thanks: 24
Thanked 161 Times in 107 Posts
This helps explain the huge gap between the price of diesel and gasoline.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2012, 04:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
The PRC.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Elsewhere.
Posts: 5,304
Thanks: 285
Thanked 536 Times in 384 Posts
This seems to be the output from refineries - I thought a lot of refineries had closed and refined fuel is now imported, also a lot of refined gas (petrol) has been replaced with other fuels such as gas, LPG and so on.

A refinery closed here recently too - the profits are not so high any more.

__________________
[I]So long and thanks for all the fish.[/I]
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com