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Old 12-28-2023, 05:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hmmm... son who is in the business of catching assorted endangered animals says catch and relocate is illegal.
That makes sense and, in an effort to provide an authoritative source, I did a quick Google search.

Of course, everything seemed to confirm what you wrote, so I wondered what PETA said, and honestly, I don't have any idea: Living in Harmony with House Mice and Rats
  1. Rats and mice are cute and make great pets. What?! Everything that I have read from PETA made clear they felt that animals were better off dead than as pets!
  2. Glue, poison, and nonlethal traps cause pests to slowly die in pain over hours.
  3. Nonlethal traps need to be checked hourly. I didn't want to spend more time than necessary in a house where I could hear mice.
  4. Lethal traps don't work long-term because other pests will replace the ones you remove, so they talked about removing their food source and blocking their entrances.
Interesting points.

Snap traps, then?

"Live trapping and relocating animals is often advertised as a humane solution to wildlife conflicts. In reality, it can actually be detrimental for the animal, it is not a true long-term solution, and in most cases, it is illegal." PAWS.org: Relocating Wildlife - PAWS

"[L]ive-trapping and relocation rarely ends well for wildlife, nor is it a permanent solution."
"A 2004 study of grey squirrels who were live-trapped and relocated from suburban areas to a large forest showed that a staggering 97 % of the squirrels either soon died or disappeared from their release area."
How many died and how many disappeared?
Maybe they found a nice farm run by a loving elderly couple, like my puppy!
They say that trapped animals often leave behind young who will not be able to survive on their own.
They say that if you have unwanted visitors, wait a couple of weeks, because they often leave once they have had their babies.
No thank you.
If you absolutely positively cannot wait, use strobe lights, loud noises, and lots of vinegar (not ammonia!) to convince them to find someone else's home and then block the entrances.
If you absolutely positively cannot wait, trapping and releasing is 3% better than killing them.
The Humane Society of the United States: Scrap the trap when evicting wildlife

The only useful thing one page stated was that laws vary by state.

"It is illegal to trap wildlife in California because it does not resolve the problem and just creates new ones."
Are mice wildlife?
Google says they aren't found in the wild nearly as much as around people.
It recommends blocking entrances and openings with the use of wire mesh, grates, boards, and other materials. "Sonoma County Wildlife Rescue offers an exclusion service to assist people in their quest to keep the wild critters out."
"Whv is it illegal to trap and relocate animals?"
In California. Nobody knows about Arizona!
Why did it change "Why" to "Whv?!"
"Studies have shown lhat75% of relocated animals do not survive."
Why did it change "that" to "lhat" and remove the space afterwards?"
Mendocino Wildlife Association: Trapping Wildlife - Is It the Solution?
The Rule of freebeard says no.

Three supports for Piotrsko are enough, right?

So, if there are any live mice in the trap whenever I am able to get back up, I will shoot them with an AR-15.

America!

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Old 12-28-2023, 08:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Too much is not enough! Frankly, I reach for a 22LR or 410 shot shell.

The ones that are only maimed in a spring trap, I put out for the feral cats. They're usually gone by morning.

I see waves of mice when neighbor's trailers are demolished instead of moved out. The avenues of entry are obscure, and they can squeeze trough an opening the size of a dime. The ones I do know about are stuffed with steel wool.
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Old 12-29-2023, 12:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Average brown field mouse only need about a 3/8" hole for entry or exit, so I have never actually experienced a mouse proof house. Resistant houses, maybe, but standard construction don't get that precise AND they have all night every night to find an entrance.

Really nice program on PBS Nova about nocturnal mammal pests in the city

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