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Old 04-17-2009, 03:03 PM   #41 (permalink)
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no 13" included.
ya... any suggestions/details for us pizza pan drivers?
EDIT... I should add, the last "report" I read listing 13" tires listed the Sumitomo HTR-200 as having a very good LRR and at a VERY reasonable price (TireRack.com has them for $43 each).

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Old 04-28-2009, 03:50 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Tire rack has a new B381 listed that is a 185-65-14, little lower profile for those who don't like big donut tires
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$071 0.0062 Bridgestone/Firestone B381 P185/70R14: (another report said 0.00615)

I am listing only this tire for this size since its the absolute best LRR tire out of ANY SIZE and there is NO EXCUSE not to get it as it will save you more money over its lifetime than it would cost to even ship them over (if they are not available in your area).
I've got a car with 175/80/14 tires, and I looked at the B381's in the UK and they only have 155/65/14/T or 145/80/14/T sizes, and nothing else. I doubt it'd be cost effective to ship 185/70/14's to the UK Could you list other tires for the 14" wheel please? I've got my eyes on the Continental EcoContact 3 or the Fulda EcoControl.
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Best LRR tire in many europe car tests have been Michelin energy saver.

However in latest auto motor und sport magazine there were a ecotire test and the winner were new goodyear efficientgrip by slight margin to michelin energy saver!.

So at the moment I would shoose efficientgrip because it is more also more cheaper . One good way to choose a tire is to choose the same tire what is in car manufacturers "ecomodels".

Third option would be Kleber dynaxer hp2 which have been second in many test in LRR. Kleber is a Michelins sub-brand.

There are also some other/better LRR tires but they havent been in test so you cant tell they LRR capabilities from what the manufacturers tell you. For example Pirelli P6 should be very good in LRR, but it was horrible in the same test mentioned above!

I have also noticed that it is guite hard to find very tall tires which have also been good in rolling resistance in tests.

I chose to buy Toyo 350 in size 175/80/R14 which also should be LRR tire. At the moment im satisfied with my tire, because I havent tried Michelin or goodyear. At least my consumption figures went down when compared to my winter tires .
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My ECO4 came with Michelin Energy Savers from the factory. However, they cost a lot and I calculated the savings I would make, and it came out that I wouldn't save anything as the tires cost so much. There are lots of bad reviews about the Energy Savers, that they don't have enough traction, performs really poorly when wet, etc. I have to balance saving FE with safety to be honest! I do have one Michelin Energy Saver already on my car, and I most definitely don't think it's the original tire.

The Efficientgrip doesn't even come in 175 sizes at all, unfortunately! The Kleber doesn't come in 175/80/14 - the nearest is 175/70/14. On tyretest.com the EcoContact 3 gets only a very slightly better review than the Toyo 350, however tyretest.com doesn't look at fuel efficiency. Tyretest.com seems to rate the Michelin Energy XT1 quite well, but I'm still put off by the cost. Best cost I could find for 4 tires of the following:

Toyo 350 - £164 ($251 €185.60) fully fitted
EcoContact 3 - £165.20 ($252.80 €187) fully fitted
Energy Savers - £274.40 ($419.90 €310.50) fully fitted

I think my best option here is the EcoContact 3's. I doubt I would save £110 ($168 €124) worth of fuel with the Energy Savers.
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I did the same math that those wont gain their price difference in their lifetime or at least it would took near 170 000 kilometers in my car. The difference is 2% (figure taken from tire tests) in consumption to the second best (if efficientgrip is not taken into account). However if your goal is purely to achieve low consumption and best LRR those are your tire choice options!

Isnt tirerack purely based on consumer reports of the tires so no actual tests?

When I changed my Toyos under my car my costdown test end speeds went to highest levels so far!. My test is in a 1.5 km long downhill where the start speed is 100km/h (60mph) end speeds rose from 74 to 76 km/h. Also in the highway I now get very good consumption figures due to taller tires .

What you mentioned about the safety issue I think it is flushed to the toilet when/if? you pump your tires to 45 PSI. Tires loose lots of grip when driven at high tire pressures. But when driving normally there will be enough grip for most situations. People have driven a lot worse tires with 20 years ago and no accidents. The safety is in your head mostly, if you drive like nut you need lots of grip but if you hypemile lot of less is enough.

By the way those toyo 350 maybe even werent the toyos best LRR tires because they do eco tires for some toyotas etc ecomodels. You should find good size for you. The tire choosing is very difficult, it took one month for me

You can also level your car with smaller tires in the rear as I have done . Now my rear tires are same toyos in 165/70/R13 with aluminium wheels they are 5,2kg lighter than the front tires with steel rims!
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Yes, tyrereview.co.uk is user reviewed and they don't do actual tests, but the feedback from people are good general indicator of how a tire performs.

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What you mentioned about the safety issue I think it is flushed to the toilet when/if? you pump your tires to 45 PSI.
Actually, my car's manual says for my model (ECO4) to pump the tires up to 41 PSI, and when under load, pump them up to 49 PSI. For all the other Astra models of the same shape, they recommend around 28-35 PSI including those with the same tire size as the ECO4.

Anyway. Cleanproxes E10 isn't in my size either. Where would I find aluminium wheels?
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Feh. The £165 price for the EcoContact 3's doesn't include fitting - the website made me think so :/ It's actually £205.20 but it's still the cheapest than any other companies.

Now not sure if the EcoContacts are worth the extra £40!
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I ordered mine from Cheap Tyres Discount Tyres & Japanese Import Car Parts Spares Tuning Performance Servicing Accessories :: I would ask if them have those as well .

I would guess that no because your consumtion figures are already so low so the gain in litres is very low even if it would be even high as 5 percent as in percentages.

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