Vehicle makers say US fuel economy standards put a million jobs at risk

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Tesla falls into the "specialized" segments I mentioned before.

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Yes, some higher standards are doable, but the weight penalty inherent to some safety features required to "federalize" a random vehicle make it more difficult.

The Mitsu Mirage would like to disagree with you on that. The base U.S. car came in under 2000 lbs. (Though it was ~150 lbs heavier than the same car in some other markets with less content/safety features.)

[Lemmy]

Tesla look dead set on going mainstream with the three, and making electric propulsion mainstream. They aren't really 'specialised', more ' still getting established'.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

Tesla look dead set on going mainstream with the three, and making electric propulsion mainstream. They aren't really 'specialised', more ' still getting established'.

Even though Tesla is set on making electric propulsion mainstream, its products are still catering to higher-end segments that are not so easily affordable for the average Joe.

[aerostealth]

The solution is really simple. Abandon mpg standards, regulate the Cd of various classes of vehicles, regulate the amount HP per pound of vehicle, and slap a carbon tax on any vehicle that breaks the standard. Wave any carbon tax for electric drive.

[freebeard]

Calibrate every wind tunnel on the planet? The vehicle class scheme is where the cheats would occur. Not all electricity is created equal.

It sounds easier to give everybody a 'co-pilot' neural implant.

[Frank Lee]

The solution is to price petrol at it's real costs.

When motorists have to choose between eating and driving all over creation in V8 4x4s, the demand for efficiency will finally go up.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

The solution is to price petrol at it's real costs.

When motorists have to choose between eating and driving all over creation in V8 4x4s, the demand for efficiency will finally go up.

To some extent only.
Mostly it just ends in bigger donations to the worlds largest charity.

Our gas is heavily taxed so it is 2½ times as expensive as yours but it does little to entice the people to drive economically. (Speeding tickets are far more effective...)

Economy decisions seem only to be made at car buying time, and it is the economy of purchase price only; so people rather buy the greenest heavy 4x4 SUV over a sedan like a Subaru WRX STi, which gets relatively bad FE for its 'class', but equal or better to the big monster.

The reason: ungreen purchase tax.
But these taxes are not just differentiated per car type but also per country.
Subaru WRX STi purchase price in our proud nation of Holland: €90,095
Subaru Nederland - WRX STI
Idem in that 'faraway rogue state' called Belgium: €42,295
Subaru België - WRX STI

Ehm. Raah. Raaaahhh! Raaaaaaaahhhh!

Of course our tax means to ban polluting cars. That is a good thing, right?
Damn you Subaru for selling the dirty WRXes over here and shipping the clean ones south!

Wind direction over here is predominantly southwest...

[Fingie]

I feel you, everything here in finland also gets slapped with a hefty tax that even the EU commission has noted us for it bein "almost unreasonably high" because we have one of the highest average age for our cars DDDDD

[Lemmy]

How many people waste fuel on short journeys, say under 10 miles, and give lame excuses as to why they can't cycle? My Mum keeps telling me how dangerous it is, yet I'm 48 and haven't had so much as a scrape since I was a kid - I don't know about the stats in the U.S, but here in the UK you're 70 odd times more likely to die of a catastrophic injury while simply walking, and more likely to die of a heart attack by sitting on my arse taking no exercise at all. In fact, I'm between 40 and 100 times more likely to die as a result of taking no exercise at all, as I am from riding my bicycle.

I'll take my chances, save the fuel, pocket the cash, and when the cost of fuels rises I shall laugh at the jokers that moan about the cost while simultaneously frittering it away unnecessarily. European and Eastern car manufacturers have twigged that most motorists are bone idle lazy and won't quit their cars willingly, so at least they're playing the short term game of trying to keep them economical and efficient, and as a consequence they're doing fairly well. The day will one day come when people won't be able to afford big V8 trucks for domestic motoring, either through cost or social change, and when that day comes the U.S. manufacturers will be found unprepared, which is a shame, but one of their own making.

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Even though Tesla is set on making electric propulsion mainstream, its products are still catering to higher-end segments that are not so easily affordable for the average Joe.

Over here the current car is priced very favourably against the 5 series. The Model 3 range as it starts undercuts the now rather elderly Leaf. Pound for £ they easily as affordable as good selling models in the UK.