Go Back   EcoModder Forum > Off-Topic > The Lounge
Register Now
 Register Now
 


Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-18-2015, 09:08 AM   #61 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
P-hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 1,408

awesomer - '04 Toyota prius
Thanks: 102
Thanked 249 Times in 201 Posts
re "stable rate", yup arragonis pointed this out in post 50 and I corrected myself in post 51.

But again, you are acting like reproduction rate is a single variable function, and that that variable has and always will be the variable of choice.

indeed, the morale boost that came after wwii is a great counter example.

Folks like easy answers, but they aren't necessarily the right answers.


Last edited by P-hack; 07-18-2015 at 09:18 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 07-18-2015, 05:12 PM   #62 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
IamIan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: RI
Posts: 692
Thanks: 371
Thanked 227 Times in 140 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by P-hack View Post
there is a difference between condoning something, and being realistic about it.
3 things:

#1>
Clarification ?
Does that mean you are not condoning the use of conflict war ? ... or are you also not condoning conflict/war as being the only reliable answer? .. in the context of this discussion about it.

#2>
Condoning was only 1 or two things you asserted.

How about the other:
"I don't know of any reliable answers aside from conflict."

Than your latter claim :
"I'm not promoting conflict"

Claiming it is the only reliable answer reads pretty much like you promoting it .. at least as the only reliable answer.

#3>
Please explain/elaborate on your:
"being realistic about it"

That tiny snip only suggests your opinion about your opinion .. it doesn't explain the basis for your opinion , nor how you have accommodated or compensated for all the real world data presented here thus far.

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-hack View Post
So, you don't fault someone for looking after their kids more than someone elses? or if they are part of a pack (or say a "tribe")? unless the actions of the kid disagrees with your moral viewpoint?
Your simplistic conclusion about me is at best inaccurate.

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-Hack
Folks like easy answers, but they aren't necessarily the right answers.
.. I guess you do too

As posted before there are different 'shoulds' .. there is not just one .. they are not mutually exclusive .. they can and often do overlap.

As for your new question above about weather I would fault them .. Which standpoint for fault ? .. fault for what ? They might be at fault for some things while not at fault for others all at the same time , from the same choice .. different standpoints / criteria / specifics / shoulds / etc... etc.

- - - - - -
Note:
Why or how much we care for Person A at all .. or more than Person B is not exclusively determined by our genetic connection to that person A or B .. that genetic connection influence to care for that Person A or B is the influence described in my previous 1 .. but might not apply to 2 and 3 ... that influence genetic part has a finite influence on your final resulting amount of 'care' for Person A or Person B.
__________________
Life Long Energy Efficiency Enthusiast
2000 Honda Insight - LiFePO4 PHEV - Solar
2020 Inmotion V11 PEV ~30miles/kwh
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 07:25 PM   #63 (permalink)
The PRC.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Elsewhere.
Posts: 5,304
Thanks: 285
Thanked 535 Times in 384 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by P-hack View Post
ok
And when did China bring in the child limit. And are they looking to change it ? Remember China has a different idea about looking after aged parents.
__________________
[I]So long and thanks for all the fish.[/I]
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 07:32 PM   #64 (permalink)
The PRC.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Elsewhere.
Posts: 5,304
Thanks: 285
Thanked 535 Times in 384 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by P-hack View Post
re "stable rate", yup arragonis pointed this out in post 50 and I corrected myself in post 51.

But again, you are acting like reproduction rate is a single variable function, and that that variable has and always will be the variable of choice.

indeed, the morale boost that came after wwii is a great counter example.

Folks like easy answers, but they aren't necessarily the right answers.
Nope.

Also post WWII baby boom was soldiers coming home. Millions of them, probably tens of millions of the worldwide. That is unusual not how populations has worked since.
__________________
[I]So long and thanks for all the fish.[/I]
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 05:33 AM   #65 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
P-hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 1,408

awesomer - '04 Toyota prius
Thanks: 102
Thanked 249 Times in 201 Posts
nope what?

Anyway, it is pretty clear that you guys are operating on some pre-programmed moral imperative, and that seems like it is beyond anything you can question. Lots of cultures are like that. Lots of mistakes are made too (and nobody likes to think they might be wrong, myself included). But half a century of semi-accurate population observations doesn't really do the whole of human behavior justice, especially if you are looking at the data with foregone conclusions.

one would hope we are smart enough by now to realize just how stupid we are.

Last edited by P-hack; 07-19-2015 at 06:23 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 07:09 AM   #66 (permalink)
wdb
lurker's apprentice
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: the Perimeter
Posts: 875

PlainJane - '12 Toyota Tacoma Base 4WD Access Cab
90 day: 20.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 448
Thanked 198 Times in 151 Posts
And ecomodding is cool, right?
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 07:48 AM   #67 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
P-hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 1,408

awesomer - '04 Toyota prius
Thanks: 102
Thanked 249 Times in 201 Posts
I think so. I've learned an incredible amount of stuff in the process and saved a ton of fuel and costs (though savings somewhat offset by cost of "education" which is in turn offset by future savings).

Last edited by P-hack; 07-19-2015 at 07:55 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 01:44 PM   #68 (permalink)
The PRC.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Elsewhere.
Posts: 5,304
Thanks: 285
Thanked 535 Times in 384 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by P-hack View Post
...it is pretty clear that you guys are operating on some pre-programmed moral imperative, and that seems like it is beyond anything you can question.
moral imperative ?
__________________
[I]So long and thanks for all the fish.[/I]
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 02:38 PM   #69 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,927
Thanks: 877
Thanked 2,020 Times in 1,303 Posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Got so cold in 1982-3 in the Fla Keys they predicted the death of the coral reefs that had been there for millions of years with sustained ocean water temperatures below 60 degrees F.

Predicting things based on a time frame of barely 135 years (1880-2015)?

Are you serious/ The predictions have reversed completely in a little more than half my lifetime. The wife's parents had a total of 20 siblings, next generation 1/3rd of that number. (Last 100 years)

Just wait until all those gen x, y and z members refuse to impoverish themselves to pay our retirement commitments and all of the rest of the deficit flood coming on. They might decide ending it (human kind) intentionally maybe the lesser of two evils.

regards
mech
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 03:31 PM   #70 (permalink)
The PRC.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Elsewhere.
Posts: 5,304
Thanks: 285
Thanked 535 Times in 384 Posts
And on that cheery note I'm off to the kitchen where the best parts of parties take place.



Keep smiling

__________________
[I]So long and thanks for all the fish.[/I]
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Tags
lies, scam

Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com