THE WORLD'S FIRST ALL-ELECTRIC SUPERTRUCK HUMMER EV

[redpoint5]

The H2 and especially the H3 seemed to mostly be driven by soccer moms.

[jjackstone]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The H2 and especially the H3 seemed to mostly be driven by soccer moms.

My thoughts exactly. This is going to be a prestige vehicle. Yeah, there will be a few folks that use it to its capability but mostly it'll be "Oh, look what I have."

JJ

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The H2 and especially the H3 seemed to mostly be driven by soccer moms.

Actually they had become a pretty good buy. The H2 had a lot built into it compared to a Tahoe and the H3 was the best Trailblazer or Envoy you could buy. Initially they were so much more money, maybe even double, but in the 20 year old car market they were just a few thousand more. I was almost settled on buying a H2 when I found the good deal on the 2500 Suburban instead. I sold that Suburban last week BTW as I've picked up a 2010 Hemi Jeep Commander to make into my hunting, camping, off road rig. Now my Touareg can stay stock and do most other duties.

[oldtamiyaphile]

Same old GM in EV clothing, LOL

GM's battery pack is nearly a foot tall, (See EE video), so the sills are level with the tops of the tyres.

The low slung CT has it's sills level with the top of the hubs. It's battery is obviously much more compact, resulting in easy entry and a lower cg. As a result, CT doesn't need side steps that add weight, drag and cost.

The Hummer's tailgate is level with the tops of the tyres FFS Forget about getting anything in there ever. This is the really dumb thing about American trucks all together. Not only is the load floor impossibly high, but when you open the tailgate you have to stand two feet back from the cargo area. CT was criticized for not allowing side loading of the tray, the HEV's tray is about 70" off the ground LOL.

Aerodynamics of, well, a Hummer. No attempt to blank of the front wheel, we all know how draggy an offroad tyre exposed the the wind is. Draggy three box styling, too steep windscreen, elephant ear mirrors...

Body of frame construction means it will be heavy.

If you're one of the few outside of Youtube to take it off road, it still has the easily scratched and dented soft skin of a regular car. Someone put a minor dent in my van's quarter panel a while back, took three weeks and US$5k to repair.

All that for for only $40k more than a CT...and if you know anything about Tesla, the only real option you can add is FSD. GM are the ones who will gouge you on 'options'.

Finally, why the 'lunar' theme? It makes absolutely no sense. Are they really just taunting Musk? You built the lunar rover 60 years ago, and now you come out with this?

[ME_Andy]

I think it's technically impressive and puts GM in the same ballpark as Tesla. The Hummer is a little too bloated with features I wouldn't use, though, like underbody cams and 4 wheel steering.

It's also too big for me (as is the Cybertruck). The Rivian would probably be my ev truck of choice, at the moment. I'm pretty sure the Rivian is the one that's been tested best in the real world.

The Workhorse seems pretty solid. Maybe a little short on range and not tested so well, but a good price.

[oldtamiyaphile]

Sure if 'same ball park' means double the price, then yes. To be as good for double the price is really not a brag.

The Taycan is probably better than a 8 year old design Model S, again, if you don't mind paying double.

The number 1 complaint about EVs is that they're too expensive. GM moves the game on by exactly zero. What is GM's EV margin? Are they breaking even yet?

Tesla produces their EV's at double the gross margin of GM's mostly ICE vehicles, which means Tesla still has room to lower it's prices.

4WS? GM have been doing that for well over a decade. The under car cameras are a gimmick, and in off road use just won't survive. But look there's a moon boot on the floor mat.

Because of their horrendously inefficient design, pickup trucks need to be really big. If a smaller truck would do, you probably shouldn't buy a truck at all. A Honda Jazz will do anything a smaller pick up will. The only design that moves utility forward is the CT. I'd still rather have a Cybervan though, side sliding doors and rear barn doors, and space to stand up inside on sunny, hot or raining days. The way American contractors operate with a big truck then a really big trailer is an admission they bought the wrong vehicle in the first place. No one else in the world does things that way.

[freebeard]

The only design that moves utility forward is the CT. I'd still rather have a Cybervan though, side sliding doors and rear barn doors, and space to stand up inside on sunny, hot or raining days.

Agreed.

Paintless dent-proof corrosion-proof construction will be a necessity with Tesla's 2 million mile battery. The Austin Gigafactory is coming along nicely.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile

What is GM's EV margin? Are they breaking even yet?

AFAIK GM was the first mainstream automaker to actually profit from EVs

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

AFAIK GM was the first mainstream automaker to actually profit from EVs

Probably depends on how you calculate "profit". Much of EV "profit" is selling ZEV credits.

The Chevy Bolt is currently selling for about $25k after various steep discounts, which is a loss.

If something were profitable, it would be advertised. At this point GM doesn't want to sell any more Bolts.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Probably depends on how you calculate "profit". Much of EV "profit" is selling ZEV credits.

The Chevy Bolt is currently selling for about $25k after various steep discounts, which is a loss.

If something were profitable, it would be advertised. At this point GM doesn't want to sell any more Bolts.

The biggest "profit" from building an EV is avoiding the $5000 CARB fine for not building it. Of course that is list price, you can buy a credit on sale from another automaker that has too many.

Once you have enough credits to avoid the fines there is little reason to make more.