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This is not really a hybrid when only the electric motors power the wheels. It's the same principle behind diesel-electric train engines. Keep the combustion engine at a constant load where it works optimally in order to generate electrical power.
It's kinda like what the Volt was supposed to be.
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03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
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This *is* a series / serial hybrid; not a parallel hybrid. It really is a hybrid; just a different kind of hybrid than we are used to.
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03-22-2011, 02:03 PM
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This is not really a hybrid when only the electric motors power the wheels. It's the same principle behind diesel-electric train engines.
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No, it's just the opposite of a diesel-electric train, where the electric motor/generator is only acting as a transmission. (If trains are hybrids, then so is every car with an automatic transmission a hydraulic hybrid :-)) The Porsche design had both batteries and an IC engine. |
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03-23-2011, 10:02 AM
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If there are batteries or capacitors involved, then it is a series / serial hybrid. In fact, it is the electricity that is the "transmission" between the genset and the electric drive motor, so that is a hybrid, too.
Two types of motors are involved in moving the vehicle = hybrid.
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03-23-2011, 10:25 AM
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Two types of motors are involved in moving the vehicle = hybrid.
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How many times does it have to be explained to you? Two types of energy storage NOT involved (i.e. batteries and diesel) = NOT hybrid.
Are you saying the torque converter makes automatic cars a hybrid? you would make the term completely meaningless. It is about storing/reusing braking energy, regardless of the conversion processes.
Hybrid train - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"uses an onboard rechargeable energy storage system "
Does it make sense now?
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03-23-2011, 11:36 AM
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Can an automatic transmission provide power?
Two (or more) types of motors = hybrid.
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03-23-2011, 11:55 AM
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03-23-2011, 01:03 PM
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Can an automatic transmission provide power?
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Can a motor provide power without electricity? Same deal. A torque converter is half hydraulic pump (generator analog) and half hydraulic motor.
Transmissions 101, a prep course...
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Two (or more) types of motors = hybrid.
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Wrong, so stop saying it unless you embrace misinformation = irresponsible melonhead.
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03-24-2011, 09:53 PM
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Motors are motors, and transmissions are not motors. The transmission is not a power source.
By your definition, a Prius is not a hybrid -- where does the electricity in the battery come from?
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03-24-2011, 10:06 PM
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in part from regenerative braking, or from the wall.
If it did not recapture braking energy (or occasionally allow use of a wall socket), hybrids would get really crappy mileage with all that dead weight and complexity.
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