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Old 03-22-2011, 07:22 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This is not really a hybrid when only the electric motors power the wheels. It's the same principle behind diesel-electric train engines. Keep the combustion engine at a constant load where it works optimally in order to generate electrical power.

It's kinda like what the Volt was supposed to be.

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This *is* a series / serial hybrid; not a parallel hybrid. It really is a hybrid; just a different kind of hybrid than we are used to.
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This is not really a hybrid when only the electric motors power the wheels. It's the same principle behind diesel-electric train engines.
No, it's just the opposite of a diesel-electric train, where the electric motor/generator is only acting as a transmission. (If trains are hybrids, then so is every car with an automatic transmission a hydraulic hybrid :-)) The Porsche design had both batteries and an IC engine.
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If there are batteries or capacitors involved, then it is a series / serial hybrid. In fact, it is the electricity that is the "transmission" between the genset and the electric drive motor, so that is a hybrid, too.

Two types of motors are involved in moving the vehicle = hybrid.
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Two types of motors are involved in moving the vehicle = hybrid.
How many times does it have to be explained to you? Two types of energy storage NOT involved (i.e. batteries and diesel) = NOT hybrid.

Are you saying the torque converter makes automatic cars a hybrid? you would make the term completely meaningless. It is about storing/reusing braking energy, regardless of the conversion processes.

Hybrid train - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"uses an onboard rechargeable energy storage system "

Does it make sense now?
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Can an automatic transmission provide power?

Two (or more) types of motors = hybrid.
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When is a hybrid a hybrid?
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Can an automatic transmission provide power?
Can a motor provide power without electricity? Same deal. A torque converter is half hydraulic pump (generator analog) and half hydraulic motor.
Transmissions 101, a prep course...

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Two (or more) types of motors = hybrid.
Wrong, so stop saying it unless you embrace misinformation = irresponsible melonhead.
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Motors are motors, and transmissions are not motors. The transmission is not a power source.

By your definition, a Prius is not a hybrid -- where does the electricity in the battery come from?
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in part from regenerative braking, or from the wall.

If it did not recapture braking energy (or occasionally allow use of a wall socket), hybrids would get really crappy mileage with all that dead weight and complexity.

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"uses an onboard rechargeable energy storage system "

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