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Old 04-19-2020, 10:03 PM   #221 (permalink)
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That image makes me look kinda mad. I just thought it was interesting to have three different body shapes with the same power, and factory figures for top speed and mileage.
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That image makes me look kinda mad. I just thought it was interesting to have three different body shapes with the same power, and factory figures for top speed and mileage.
I agree with your reading of why the sedan and wagon appear to have almost the same drag. The backlight on the sedan is at a terrible angle and surely there is separation and vortices... so bad maybe its as bad as the wagon...
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Bit more of an opinion piece, this one. (And, if you can't measure a change, it's because it's so minor as to be worthless!)

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Yes indeed. With techniques available for accurately and cheaply measuring on-road downforce/lift, attached/separated airflow and panel pressures, why wouldn't you do some mock-ups and test?

It's funny, someone criticized my book for implying that you need big empty (Australian) roads for testing. But I have driven in the US, driven in the UK, and visited Europe, and nearly all the tests I describe you could do on almost any road. (Maybe not in winter with snow though.)

I think testing drag is much harder (although I am working on some techniques now - quicker than mpg and hopefully much more accurate than coast-down testing) but if the differences are so small that you can't measure them, then maybe they're inconsequential...

(And I really like your phrase - Cardboard Aided Design... I might use that!)
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I have been asked what references I used when writing the book. Here is the list of books, technical papers and magazine articles from which information was quoted in the book:

Books


Allen, J, Aerodynamics – the science of air in motion, 2nd edition, Granda Publishing, 1982

Barnard, RJ, Road Vehicle Aerodynamic Design, 3rd edition, MechAero, 2009

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Katz, J, Race Car Aerodynamics – Designing for Speed, Robert Bentley Publishers, 1995

Kieselbach, RJF, Stromlinienautos in Deutschland, Kohlhammer, 1982

Scibor-Rylski, AJ, Road Vehicle Aerodynamics, Pentech Press, 1975

Tamai, G, The Leading Edge – Aerodynamic Design of Ultra-streamlined Land Vehicles, Bentley Publishers, 1999

Papers

Atkinson, J., “Research into the Potential of Variable Aerodynamic Properties to Modify Ground Vehicle Behaviour”, Coventry University, 2014

Bannister, M., "Drag and Dirt Deposition Mechanisms of External Rear View Mirrors and Techniques Used for Optimisation," SAE Technical Paper 2000-01-0486, 2000

Barnard, R.H., Bullen, P.R., Qiao, J., “Fixed and Variable Cooling Outlet Geometries for the Minimisation of Associated Drag,” Procs. 5th MIRA International Vehicle Aerodynamics Conference, Warwick, U K, 13-15 October 2004

Barth, R., "Effect of Unsymmetrical Wind Incidence on Aerodynamic Forces Acting on Vehicle Models and Similar Bodies," SAE Technical Paper 650136, 1965

Beauvais, F., Tignor, S., and Turner, T., "Problems of Ground Simulation in Automotive Aerodynamics," SAE Technical Paper 680121, 1968

Buckley, F., "ABCD - An Improved Coast Down Test and Analysis Method," SAE Technical Paper 950626, 1995

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Buscariolo, F., Magazoni, F., Maruyama, F., Alves, J. et al., "Aerodynamic Enablers Review for Automotive Applications," SAE Technical Paper 2016-36-0203, 2016.

Cai, J., Kapoor, S., Sikder, T., and He, Y., "Effects of Active Aerodynamic Wings on Handling Performance of High-Speed Vehicles," SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-1592, 2017

Chaligné S., Turner R., Gaylard A. (2018) The Aerodynamics Development of the New Land Rover Discovery. In: Wiedemann J. (eds) Progress in Vehicle Aerodynamics and Thermal Management. FKFS 2017. Springer, Cham

Cooper, K., Syms, J., and Sovran, G., "Selecting Automotive Diffusers to Maximise Underbody Downforce," SAE Technical Paper 2000-01-0354, 2000

D'Hooge, A., Palin, R., Johnson, S., Duncan, B. et al., "The Aerodynamic Development of the Tesla Model S - Part 2: Wheel Design Optimization," SAE Technical Paper 2012-01-0178, 2012

Emmelmann, H., Berneburg, H., and Schulze, J., "The Aerodynamic Development of the Opel Calibra," SAE Technical Paper 900317, 1990

Evrard, A. et al, “Comparative effects of vortex generators on Ahmed’s squareback and minivan car models”, Journal of Automobile Engineering, I Mech E, 2017

Froling, T. and Juechter, T., "2006 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Aerodynamic Development," SAE Technical Paper 2005-01-1943, 2005

Garcia de la Cruz, J., Brackston, R., and Morrison, J., "Adaptive Base-Flaps Under Variable Cross-Wind," SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-7000, 2017

George, A., "Automobile Aerodynamic Noise," SAE Technical Paper 900315, 1990

Howell, J. and Le Good, G., "The Influence of Aerodynamic Lift on High Speed Stability," SAE Technical Paper 1999-01-0651, 1999

Janson, T, and Piechna, J., “Numerical Analysis of Aerodynamic Characteristics of a High-Speed car with Moveable Bodywork Elements”, Archive of Mechanical Engineering, Volume 62, Issue 4, Pages 451–476, ISSN (Online) 2300-1895, 2015

Kataoka, T., China, H., Nakagawa, K., Yanagimoto, K. et al., "Numerical Simulation of Road Vehicle Aerodynamics and Effect of Aerodynamic Devices," SAE Technical Paper 910597, 1991

Kataoka, S., et al, “Aerodynamics for Lancer Evolution X”, Mitsubishi Motors Technical Review, No 20, 2008

Kawakami, M., Murata, O., and Maeda, K., "Improvement in Vehicle Motion Performance by Suppression of Aerodynamic Load Fluctuations," SAE Int. J. Passeng. Cars - Mech. Syst. 8(1):205-216, SAE Technical Paper 2015-01-1537, 2015

Kawamata, H., Kuroda, S., Tanaka, S., and Oshima, M., "Improvement of Practical Electric Consumption by Drag Reducing under Cross Wind," SAE Technical Paper 2016-01-1626, 2016

Koike, M., Nagayoshi, T., and Hamamoto, N., “Research on Aerodynamic Drag Reduction by Vortex Generators,” Mitsubishi Motors Technical Review, 2004, No 16.

Landström, C., Walker, T., Christoffersen, L., and Löfdahl, L., "Influences of Different Front and Rear Wheel Designs on Aerodynamic Drag of a Sedan Type Passenger Car," SAE Technical Paper 2011-01-0165, 2011

Larose, G., Belluz, L., Whittal, I., Belzile, M. et al., "Evaluation of the Aerodynamics of Drag Reduction Technologies for Light-duty Vehicles: a Comprehensive Wind Tunnel Study," SAE Int. J. Passeng. Cars - Mech. Syst. 9(2):772-784, 2016

Le Good, G., Howell, J., Passmore, M., and Garry, K., "On-Road Aerodynamic Drag Measurements Compared with Wind Tunnel Data," SAE Technical Paper 950627, 1995

Le Good, G., Howell, J., Passmore, M., and Cogotti, A., "A Comparison of On-Road Aerodynamic Drag Measurements with Wind Tunnel Data from Pininfarina and MIRA," SAE Technical Paper 980394, 1998

Levin, J., and Rigdal R., “Aerodynamic analysis of drag reduction devices on the underbody of a SAAB 9-3 by using CFD”, Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden, 2011

Littlewood, R., Passmore, M., and Wood, D., "An Investigation into the Wake Structure of Square Back Vehicles and the Effect of Structure Modification on Resultant Vehicle Forces," SAE Int. J. Engines 4(2):2629-2637, SAE Technical Paper 2011-37-0015, 2011

Leuschen J., Cooper K.R. (2009) Summary of Full-Scale Wind Tunnel Tests of Aerodynamic Drag-Reducing Devices for Tractor-Trailers. In: Browand F., McCallen R., Ross J. (eds) The Aerodynamics of Heavy Vehicles II: Trucks, Buses, and Trains. Lecture Notes in Applied and Computational Mechanics, vol 41. Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg

Lew, C., Gopalaswamy, N., Shock, R., Duncan, B. et al., "Aerodynamic Simulation of a Standalone Rotating Treaded Tire," SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-1551, 2017

Lounsberry, T., Gleason, M., and Puskarz, M., "Laminar Flow Whistle on a Vehicle Side Mirror," SAE Technical Paper 2007-01-1549, 2007

Marcell, R. and Romberg, G., "The Aerodynamic Development of the Charger Daytona for Stock Car Competition," SAE Technical Paper 700036, 1970

Mayer, W. and Wiedemann, J., "The Influence of Rotating Wheels on Total Road Load," SAE Technical Paper 2007-01-1047, 2007

Mayer, W. and Wickern, G., "The New Audi A6/A7 Family - Aerodynamic Development of Different Body Types on One Platform," SAE Int. J. Passeng. Cars – Mech. Syst. 4(1):197-206, SAE Technical paper 2011-01-0175, 2011

Meder, J., “Aerodynamic Shapeshifter – The New Porsche 911 Turbo”, FKFS - 9th Aerodynamic Conference, 2013

Nakamura, D., Onishi, Y., and Takehara, Y., "Flow Field Analysis in the Development of the 2013 Model Year Accord Hybrid," SAE Technical Paper 2015-01-1534, 2015, https://doi.org/10.4271/2015-01-1534.

Ng, E., Watkins, S., Johnson, P., and Mole, L., "Use of a Pressure-Based Technique for Evaluating the Aerodynamics of Vehicle Cooling Systems," SAE Technical Paper 2002-01-0712, 2002

Okada, Y., Nouzawa, T., Nakamura, T., and Okamoto, S., "Flow Structures above the Trunk Deck of Sedan-Type Vehicles and Their Influence on High-Speed Vehicle Stability 1st Report: On-Road and Wind-Tunnel Studies on Unsteady Flow Characteristics that Stabilize Vehicle Behavior," SAE Int. J. Passeng. Cars – Mech. Syst. 2(1):138-156, SAE Technical Paper 2009-01-0004, 2009

Palaskar, P., "Effect of Side Taper on Aerodynamics Drag of a Simple Body Shape with Diffuser and without Diffuser," SAE Technical Paper 2016-01-1621, 2016

Park, H., "A Rear-View Side Mirror with Exterior Lens to Improve Field of View and Aerodynamics of Automobiles," SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-1358, 2017, https://doi.org/10.4271/2017-01-1358.

Passmore, M. and Le Good, G., "A Detailed Drag Study Using the Coastdown Method," SAE Technical Paper 940420, 1994

Pitman, J. and Gaylard, A., “An experimental investigation into the flow mechanisms around an SUV in open and closed cooling air conditions”, 11th FKFS Conference: Progress in Vehicle Aerodynamics and Thermal Management, 2017

Sapnaras, D. and Dimitriou, I., "Experimental Analysis of the Underbody Pressure Distribution of a Series Vehicle on the Road and in the Wind Tunnel," SAE Technical Paper 2008-01-0802, 2008

Santer, R. and Gleason, M., "The Aerodynamic Development of the Probe IV Advanced Concept Vehicle," SAE Technical Paper 831000, 1983

Schenkel, F., "The Origins of Drag and Lift Reductions on Automobiles with Front and Rear Spoilers," SAE Technical Paper 770389, 1977

Sebben, S., "Numerical Simulations of a Car Underbody: Effect of Front-Wheel Deflectors," SAE Technical Paper 2004-01-1307, 2004

Shigarkanthi, V., Damodaran, V., Soundararaju, D., and Kanniah, K., "Application of Design of Experiments and Physics Based Approach in the Development of Aero Shutter Control Algorithm," SAE Technical Paper 2011-01-0155, 2011

Simmonds, N., Pitman, J., Tsoutsanis, P., Jenkins, K. et al., "Complete Body Aerodynamic Study of three Vehicles," SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-1529, 2017, https://doi.org/10.4271/2017-01-1529.

Tortosa, N. and Karbon, K., "Aerodynamic Development of the 2011 Chevrolet Volt," SAE Int. J. Passeng. Cars – Mech. Syst. 4(1):166-171, 2011

Unni, T., "Numerical Investigation on Aerodynamic Effects of Vanes and Flaps on Automotive Underbody Diffusers," SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-2163, 2017.

Vdovin, A., “Investigation of Aerodynamic Resistance of Rotating Wheels on Passenger Cars” Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden, 2013

Wang, F., Yin, Z., Yan, S., Zhan, J. et al., "Validation of Aerodynamic Simulation and Wind Tunnel Test of the New Buick Excelle GT," SAE Int. J. Passeng. Cars - Mech. Syst. 10(1):195-202, 2017, SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-1512

Wickern, G. and Brennberger, M., "Scaling Laws in Automotive Aeroacoustics," SAE Technical Paper 2009-01-0180, 2009

Magazine

Sherman, D., “Drag Queens: Aerodynamics Compared”, Car and Driver, June 2014

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