110mpg mustang

[oldschool]

Well it looks like Doug Pelmear may get the x prize. He has a 400 hp 500lft lb of torque, 110mpg v8 mustang.

hp2g.com/

110 MPG car : News : WNWO NBC24

[SVOboy]

Yeah, I've heard about this, and I don't see why I should believe it.

[SVOboy]

Note especially that he won't let anyone know how it works and that he claims it's an idea from the 40s. No likely suppressed by big oil, the government, OPEC, or some other conspiracy theory target.

[ebacherville]

just show me the un-reputable data, if thats the case My crx with this "technology" should get about 500mpg.. and zero to 60 in 2 seconds...

Sweet that means i can drive from coast to coast and back on a tank of gas.. .. When I see it ill believe it

[klrv6]

At least we will be able to see when it is run through the tests for the X-prize.

[metromizer]

I would say this to anyone who claims to have unlocked some secret that promises a muscle car that gets 110mpg AND is capable of 0-60 in seconds (from the article)...

There are many, many talented scientists, engineers, inventors and performance gearheads with very expensive fuel, thus the same motivation. For instance our friends in Europe have been faced with $5/gallon gasoline for years.

Same problem, same talent, but Europeans have had more years to work on solutions. Yet no such technology has surfaced to date? Hmmmm....

[NoCO2]

Actually, as much as I want to pull the bull $#%!-o-meter out on this one. I can almost believe it. If you see he uses E85 for one, which does have a lower power output using conventional means of combustion, but there may be some way of causing it to react in the cylinder that has yet been explored that he is using (I just pulled that one out of my butt, so I could be wrong). Another thing that I know of is that there is something that some prototype engines have been playing with using magnetically actuated valves for the pistons which would open up the possibility of a cam-less engine that could have some significant efficiency advantages over typical engines today.

[Duffman]

These are always simple to debunk guys. An gasoline engine is roughly 25-30% thermodynamically efficient. Lets say that his mustang is a 25mpg car to start with. Even if he got his engine up to 100% thermal efficiency (that’s with an exhaust temperature at 0 degrees Kelvin), his car could only get 100 MPG. Basically he is claiming to extract more energy out of the fuel than is in the fuel! That’s the problem with these guys who make ludicrous claims, not only do they make claims we know not to be true but they make claims that are in total violation of the laws of physics. Unfortunately someone had to give it coverage.

[gascort]

I complained to the news site regarding their lack of skepticism in the article and their willingness to promote his statements as fact without evidence.

It's the same problem with news stories by people who don't understand fuel cells.
"WOW! A car that runs on water!!! Water's Cheap!" No, it's just a fancier, more expensive and more powerful BATTERY (in layman's terms, which should be the ones being used on the news)

[Red]

My Jeep can get 89 MPG. I saw it on my Scangauge myself! For the low low price of 6 payments of $199.95 I'll let you on the one secret that the oil companies don't want you to know!

[SVOboy]

Originally Posted by klrv6

At least we will be able to see when it is run through the tests for the X-prize.

I have more confidence that he's using the x-prize name to draw attention and legitimacy to himself than I do in the likelihood of this car ever competing in anything of the sort

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by metromizer

I would say this to anyone who claims to have unlocked some secret that promises a muscle car that gets 110mpg AND is capable of 0-60 in seconds (from the article)...

I could lay out a plan for such a vehicle. It'd take some bucks for the development to make it practical, but I don't see any insurmountable problems, since all the parts seem to be working in various labs.

Start with a lightweight frame - carbon fiber or whatever, and forget those crash safety standards. Drive it with electric motors. Add high-speed flywheel energy storage & regen braking. Make the ultimate source of power a Stirling engine (plus whatever grid charging you can throw in - need to work on optimizing weight vs electric-only range). Cover the whole thing with an aerodynamic skin.

Anyone got a spare $100 million or so in startup capital they'd like to invest?

PS: As for the guy's 0-60 in 3 seconds claim, I'd have to see what he's using for tires. Doesn't matter how much power you have under the hood: if it's more than what's needed to break the tires loose, it's irrelevant to 0-60 times.

[sweatbrah]

Originally Posted by Red

My Jeep can get 89 MPG. I saw it on my Scangauge myself! For the low low price of 6 payments of $199.95 I'll let you on the one secret that the oil companies don't want you to know!

haha i wish man ...

[LostCause]

Originally Posted by Red

My Jeep can get 89 MPG. I saw it on my Scangauge myself!

My car gets 9999.99MPG...under DFCO.

His car may get 110mpg under very special circumstances (15mph, P&G, etc.). I think misleading is the equivalent of lying. This guy is lying through his teeth.

I'm more disappointed that this was picked up by the news...and even considered worth talking about here.

- LostCause

[Johnny Mullet]

The Napoleon mechanic says he's perfected an engine developed by his grandfather 60-years ago

My grandfather had the idea back in the 40's that he can make a difference then

Imagine that. Could it be true? If so, this guy will probably end up mysteriously missing one day.

[klrv6]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

I have more confidence that he's using the x-prize name to draw attention and legitimacy to himself than I do in the likelihood of this car ever competing in anything of the sort

That is very possible. We knew a person could get into space before the first X-Prize was established. We also know things can be done to improve a cars efficiency before the current prize. If anything, it will just be a face for others to become more aware of the X-Prize competition.

I'm not sold on the fact that he could be running E85, yet. He won't let anyone even look at the engine, why would he give away the fuel he is using. Oh the suspense...

One thing is obvious...they drive nothing but Fords.

[john_bud]

You know, I believe he can get that 110 mpg with that 'stang.

I'm betting that under the hood he has a flip down grill and an electromagnet on a 50 foot long cord. On the freeway, he bumps up behind a semi truck, flips out the magnet, unreels the 50' of cord. Then puts the trans in Neutral keeps the engine running to power the magnet and probably only uses 1 gal per hour to idle it. Totally reasonable .... after a fashion.

The 0-60 in 3 seconds is also probably correct. He just uses a stopwatch with a 3:1 gear reduction so when the stopwatch clicks off 3 seconds, 9 seconds have passed in the real world.

Top speed of 185 mph? Sure, he probably has a 2x gear increaser on the speedometer cable so 92.5 reads off as 185!




Anybody want to buy a bridge ? I got one cheap in New York...

[rjacob]

My crap dectector was going off while watching the video on CNN.

[i_am_socket]

What he doesn't tell you is that it runs on a special proprietary blend of hot air and bull $#!t. :-)

[rjacob]

Originally Posted by i_am_socket

What he doesn't tell you is that it runs on a special proprietary blend of hot air and bull $#!t. :-)

ROTFLOL!!!!!