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[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Quoting makes the comments appear though. I've never 'ignored' a forum member before, because I could simply not read something I don't want to read. If I were to use the ignore feature, it would be to block stuff I'm in wild agreement with, because echo chambers are boring and not useful.

The fella on the right has the most thorough analysis, that politics has created a situation where power is no longer reliable.

While freebeard doesn't trust a thermostat unless it's got a mercury tilt switch in it, that doesn't solve the problem of insufficient power. If people leave their AC on when there is insufficient power, the power goes out anyhow. Is it better to have an entire house without power, or just the AC?

So, switching AC off is a better solution than switching the house off, but is still an inferior solution to generating a sufficient amount of energy to run everything.

My utility pays me to have control over the thermostat. I can override the control, which forfeits that payment. It's super easy to game the system as well, since they announce the day they will increase the AC setpoint. You simply lower the AC setpoint on that day so that their increase brings the temperature right back to where you want it, AND you retain compliance with the opt-in program.

FB and I have almost identical ideas about thermostats. Mercury switches are nostalgic to say the least and have many other uses I'll never talk about.

Giving the power company or government control over any appliances reeks of 1984. I might be willing to settle for a passive frequency switch that turns off an appliance at say 59.5 or 59.6hz and leave it off for say 20 or 30 minutes untill after the frequency is back above 59.9hz. Because once the power grid hits 59.4 a timer starts they have 9 minutes to get back above 59.4hz or power stations automatically kick off line.

[freebeard]

FB and I have almost identical ideas about thermostats. Mercury switches are nostalgic to say the least...

Can I get a Permalink to where I made some offhand comment that is construed in that way?

For the record, I think using energy to manage the heat and cooling is inefficient. A correctly shaped volume (hemisphere) glazed with a material that controls energy transfer (photochromic glass, Cloud Gel) obviates the need. The best problem is no problem.

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I still have my copy. All the print quality of your typical [hand-written] newspaper.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Can I get a Permalink to where I made some offhand comment that is construed in that way?

What do you have controlling the heat at your place?

oil pan went with a joke I was making with regard to your steampunk nature.

[freebeard]

How do you know what I have controlling the heat at my place? For the record, 6.8 kilowatts of electric oil radiators with bi-metallic switches. I'd love thermostats, I have to manually control everything.

Don't get me started on steampunk. I'd be more hydro-electric punk. Willamette Falls, the end of the Oregon Trail (assuming you didn't die of Dysentery) where the World's first hydro-electric plant sent AC power to Stumptown (AKA Portland) in 1891, four years before Tesla wired Niagara Falls.

The Grand Coullee Dam keeps me warm and informed today.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

You must be thinking of someone else.
Combined heat and power is an excellent idea.

Well glad you like the CHP idea if not any of my small engine and small engined appliance ideas.

As I have the links open for micro CHP:
https://global.honda/en/newsroom/new...120925eng.html
https://www.aisin.com/en/news/2013/004888.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaGQDstDug

[Logic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

How do you know what I have controlling the heat at my place? For the record, 6.8 kilowatts of electric oil radiators with bi-metallic switches. I'd love thermostats, I have to manually control everything.

Er..? Aren't bi-metallic switches thermostats?
Bi-metalic switches rely on the difference in rates of thermal expansion between the 2 metals to bend the switch open and closed.

I've never heard of house heating system that didn't auto control air temperatures!?
Sounds like your electrician wired things up wrong?

[Piotrsko]

People use bimetallic switches for all sorts of cycling controls. Turn signal flasher, on switch in my coffee pot which turns off the heat element when the water cycle is finished. Even have one in my self controlling night light that responds to dusk.

Bunch of advantages of mercury tilt switches, however everyone is freaky about mercury contamination so they have gotten nonexistent.

[freebeard]

Maybe technically a thermostat, but there's no relation to the actual temperature, just higher or lower.

These are radiators on little wheels that plug into an AC outlet.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

People use bimetallic switches for all sorts of cycling controls. Turn signal flasher, on switch in my coffee pot which turns off the heat element when the water cycle is finished. Even have one in my self controlling night light that responds to dusk.

Bunch of advantages of mercury tilt switches, however everyone is freaky about mercury contamination so they have gotten nonexistent.

In all cases it's the temperature in the BM strip that actuates it.
I assume the night light switch contains a metal sensitive to radiative heat.