2014 2.0L Turbo Diesel Cruze is here!

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by niky

Blame the buyers.

If people would buy them, car companies would sell them. Only if the Spark is a huge hit will other makers jump on the bandwagon. As it is, I don't see that happening. Only Mitsubishi seems desperate enough to try.

Define people, the 15% of the population that is middle class 50-100k per year?

Or are you talking the folks that don't buy new cars?

Or the folks who have money but like such things anyway?

The key here is that people will buy them but the people who want to buy them are not willing to spend the pricing point needed to make it happen.

Chicken and the egg, folks with cash will buy things mostly irrespective of how much it penalizes them at the pump and they usually buy most new cars. Folks who care usually have too small of a budget to bother companies to cater to them or are too cheap.

In my mind however these mentalities could be gradually edumacated out but school, ads, government and businesses themselves would have to market themselves differently for many years to come.

Gone are the days that a truck has a thriftmaster engine but our true american roots could maybe be brought out once again if we could break away from this ideotic iphun crap.

Ah well.

[ciderbarrel]

I blame safety standards. It is a catch-22. Cars are getting heavier because of extra safety standards because there are heavier cars on the market than before.

Oh, if you want to talk about progress, a 2013 V6 Mustang gets more HP (305 peak HP vs 300) and better fuel economy (22 combined vs 18) than my 2005 V8 Mustang.

[niky]

While there's some truth to this, manufacturers are making headway in building new cars that are light yet still crashworthy.

Originally Posted by rmay635703

The key here is that people will buy them but the people who want to buy them are not willing to spend the pricing point needed to make it happen.

Precisely. Those of us who care the most about fuel economy and conservation are also smart enough NOT to buy brand new.

Vicious cycle. If we don't buy them... nobody will.

[trooper Tdiesel]

id take a i-mark or Chevette "same thing"

How Does the 2014 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel Stack Up Against the Chevette Diesel? - WOT on Motor Trend


oddly the 84 Chevette gets much better mpg then the 84 I-mark
even beating out the VERY rare 2door mpg+ 4speed version of the I-mark by several mpg.

[ciderbarrel]

46 MPG (2.17 G/100M) highway, should cost almost $27K

GM says diesel Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 mpg

The new Jetta TDI does 42 MPG (2.38 G/100M) highway and is about $23K - $26K depending on trim
The Jetta Hybrid does 42 MPG city (2.38 G/100M), 48 MPG (2.08 G/100M) highway and is $25K - $31K depending on trim

[Miller88]

I think I'd rather have a regular "eco" or a spark.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

I'd like to see how it would fare with a manual transmission.

[Big Dave]

Oh goody!

No manual transmissions. Just a complex, expensive, frail, and inefficient automatic.

DPF and urea injection. Both roundly hated by diesel owners.

No thank you.

[mechman600]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

DPF and urea injection. Both roundly hated by diesel owners.

What did you expect, no DPF? No urea injection?
Those days are over for everybody.
You either have to buy an old diesel or get with the times.

[niky]

It's a regular torque converter automatic, built to take high torque loads. It's not going to be as frail as a CVT or a DCT in the same application.