2022 Honda Civic e:HEV Hatchback

[Christian]

How is this the first time I’m hearing about this car?
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/dr...hot-hatch/amp/

[JSH]

I'd say we haven't heard about it because it isn't for sale in North America (and might not be). Honda renamed the Honda Civic Hybrid the Insight a while back but is switching back to the Civic name in North America. I'm doubtful the USA will see a Civic Hatch Hybrid but we will get the sedan version.

[Ecky]

JSH is right - Honda sold a Civic Hybrid from 2003 to 2015, then rebadged it under the title "Insight" from 2018 to 2021. The Civic got a refresh this year, including the Insight hybrid based off the Civic, and Honda changed the name from "Insight" back to "Civic Hybrid" as part of the refresh.

[CVTCivic]

They sell it here in Germany since the end of last year. People who order the car have to wait between 8 to 12 month before getting one. Unlike in the US, Honda and especially the Civic is very unpopular here, they only sell a ridiculously small amount of numbers here.

We have a website like Fully.com in Germany, its called Spritmonitor.de . People track their real live fuel consumption on this site. So far there are 42 Civic e:HEV driver tacking their fuel economy:
https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...22&powerunit=2

The overall consumption of all of them combined is: 5.2 l/100km = 45.2 mpg (US)
Worst fuel consumption is 6.31 l/100 km = 37.2 mpg (US)


To put it into perspective, I'll also give you the numbers of the previous Honda Civic (10th gen with the 1.5l turbo engine):

(52 hatchback and sedan combined) CVT: 7.1 l/100km = 33.1 mpg (US)
Worst overall fuel consumption: 9.96 l/100km = 23.6 mpg (US)


(183 hatchback and sedan combined) Manual Transmission: 6.6 l/100km = 35.6 mpg (US)
Worst overall fuel consumption: 9.1 l/100km = 25.8 mpg (US)

[redpoint5]

Wow, better fuel economy than the Prius?

I find it inexcusable for any car with a hybrid powertrain to have less than 200HP these days. The new Prius is close, so I'd probably prefer that.

[CVTCivic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I find it inexcusable for any car with a hybrid powertrain to have less than 200HP these days.

It's nice to have 200HP or more, but at the same time more horse power means higher fuel consumption. The Toyota Corolla Hybrid is one good example, the 1.8 liter engine (122HP) is more fuel efficient than the 2.0 Liter engine (184HP).

Here in Germany people getting forced (financially) to drive all these little 0.9, 1.0 or 1.2 liter turbo engines with 80 to 130 HP. Despite this the overall speed is much faster than in the United States, were the engines seem much bigger and way more powerful.

[Ecky]

A friend of mine recently came over from the 'States. He's a car enthusiast and likes big engines, and after driving on New Zealand roads, he was pretty much in agreement with me that, with the low speed limits, twisty roads, and general road manners people have about merging, high horsepower is largely unnecessary and perhaps often even unusable here. Lots of sub-1.5L sub-100hp cars can't actually stretch their legs here because they're on the brakes before getting halfway up the tach.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by CVTCivic

It's nice to have 200HP or more, but at the same time more horse power means higher fuel consumption. The Toyota Corolla Hybrid is one good example, the 1.8 liter engine (122HP) is more fuel efficient than the 2.0 Liter engine (184HP).

Not to mention the 1.8 still has only sequential port-injection instead of direct injection, so there is no need for a particulates filter.

Here in Germany people getting forced (financially) to drive all these little 0.9, 1.0 or 1.2 liter turbo engines with 80 to 130 HP.

Downsizing also became fairly common in Brazil within the last 10 years, mostly due to the lower tax bracket for cars with engines up to 1.0L which was originally intended for a "people's car" project in the early '90s. But let's just wait until the average Zé finds out how much of a PITA it is to mantain an overstressed small engine compared to a naturally-aspirated larger one...

[Ecky]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Not to mention the 1.8 still has only sequential port-injection instead of direct injection, so there is no need for a particulates filter.

Downsizing also became fairly common in Brazil within the last 10 years, mostly due to the lower tax bracket for cars with engines up to 1.0L which was originally intended for a "people's car" project in the early '90s. But let's just wait until the average Zé finds out how much of a PITA it is to mantain an overstressed small engine compared to a naturally-aspirated larger one...

I'd say it depends on the engine. I can think of a couple of examples of stock G1 Insight engines, 1.0L 3 cylinders, which have had turbochargers added, and are happily chugging along with more than 500,000 miles. Clearly they don't mind the added stress.

[JSH]

Longevity depends on design and maintenance. Engineers can design a fantastic engine and have owners kill it by neglecting maintenance or performing maintenance incorrectly. Turbo engines require good synthetic oil, of the proper weight and specification, changed at the proper interval.

A lot of diesel owners kill their diesel particulate filters by using the wrong oil.