Age of vehicles.

[Panther140]

Originally Posted by JockoT

(US sometimes have a larger engine size option),


The few "US" cars sold here, such as the Cadillac Escalade and the CTS, the Chrysler Voyager and Crossfire or the Chevrolet Cruze fair no better on UK roads (they tend to rust even quicker than homegrown and their electrics fail miserably).


On top of which our extremely tight MOT testing standards puts thousands of cars into the crusher, that in the US and other parts of the world would run on for years.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...cked-at-an-mot

Those vehicles are not regarded as durable in the U.S, either.

I didn't know that about the UK crushing cars due to MOT testing. We would openly revolt if a politician came here and tried that (except in california, which isn't really considered America )

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by Panther140

Those vehicles are not regarded as durable in the U.S, either.

Many Honda owners in North America would strongly disagree with that sentiment. I'd be one of them.

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The Cars Owners Keep for at Least Ten Years - Lifehacker

Here are the top 10 cars drivers keep for a decade or more, along with the percentage of original owners who kept it for that long.

• Toyota Highlander Hybrid 32.1%
• Toyota Prius 32.0%
• Toyota Highlander 29.0%
• Toyota Sienna 28.7%
• Honda Pilot 27.2% 2.
• Honda CR-V 25.2%
• Toyota RAV4 24.9%
• Subaru Forester 24.2%

[Panther140]

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

Many Honda owners in North America would strongly disagree with that sentiment. I'd be one of them.

Those aren't the cars that I was referring to in my post. I quoted and underlined them. Honda doesn't make the Chrysler crossfire or the chevy cruze. Toyota and Honda dominate the economy sedan market.

I have owned many sedans. Toyota wins, hands down. They can't make a half ton pickup very well, but their sedans are the best.

[freebeard]

Aren't the Hilux technicals 1/2 ton?

• Toyota Highlander Hybrid 32.1%

The rear axle of which is subject of an Ecomodder thread:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...mgr-29878.html

[Panther140]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Aren't the Hilux technicals 1/2 ton?



The rear axle of which is subject of an Ecomodder thread:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...mgr-29878.html

Isn't that basically a pickup truck version of the 4runner? If that is accurate, I would say that the toyota hilux is not a half ton. The hilux was a great compact truck, just like the 4runner is a great compact SUV. I had a 1999 4runner and sold it so that I could get a half ton truck that is better suited for towing.

I've heard the Hilux was a great truck. Thats the truck/SUV I had in mind when I was specific about saying toyota can't make good half ton trucks.

[JockoT]

Originally Posted by Panther140

I didn't know that about the UK crushing cars due to MOT testing. We would openly revolt if a politician came here and tried that

If a car fails its MOT the government doesn't just take it away and crush it.
All vehicles in the UK are subject to testing on an annual basis. The MOT was introduced in 1960, and all cars of 3 years of age, or older, are tested.
If a car is not deemed roadworthy the owner has several options. He/she can have it repaired, repair it themselves, sell it for spares, break it for spares themselves or scrap it. Ultimately, if it is scrapped then a large proportion of the vehicle will go through the crusher.
If the owner decides just to drive the unroadworth vehicle anyway, their insurance company will deem their insurance void. It is an offence to drive a vehicle on UK roads without insurance with a fixed penalty of £300 (go to court and it could be increased to £5000), and 6 penalty points (12 on a licence and you are immediately banned from driving). If you are stopped with no insurance, the car is immediately impounded and costs of recovery are steep (£150 + £20/ day). If it is not released within 14 days (must get insurance to get released) the vehicle is disposed of.
Repairs can be carried out using OEM parts, pattern parts or used but serviceable parts. The vehicle is then resubmitted for testing, and if deemed roadworthy, gets a current MOT certificate.
Eventually, most vehicles reach a point where it is no longer viable to repair them, usually because of extremely expensive repairs to corroded bodywork.
And then the crusher gets fed!

[gone-ot]

Sounds like a "vehicle recycling" (metal to metal) process...with owners in the middle.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Panther140

Isn't that basically a pickup truck version of the 4runner?

Just the opposite: the 4Runner was (originally, IDK about current models) built by replacing the pickup bed with a shell and a couple of seats.

If that is accurate, I would say that the toyota hilux is not a half ton. The hilux was a great compact truck...

How do you define a truck as being a half ton? If it's rated cargo weight, the pickup (it's just called the pickup in the US) is rated at 1100 lbs, per the owner's manual of my '88. Though I'm sure I've had a good deal more on it at times - 30 years later, it's still a great truck :-)

[JockoT]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

Sounds like a "vehicle recycling" (metal to metal) process...with owners in the middle.

Isn't that the way of all cars throughout the world?

[freebeard]

I've heard the Hilux was a great truck. Thats the truck/SUV I had in mind when I was specific about saying toyota can't make good half ton trucks.

I raised the point simply and specifically because I read your mind.

I skimmed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilux but found no mention of payload. Top Gear tried to kill one and it took a whole episode to fail.

Technicals, of course, are the aftermarket variant with a mount for a belt-fed .30 caliber or bigger. Very popular in politically contested regions.

JockoT — Most of the most easily usable metal is already above ground.