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Old 11-20-2012, 04:18 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Shepherd, when you do start your new project, please start a new thread for it. (And feel free to post a link to the new thread here.)

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Old 11-20-2012, 08:46 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Looking at a more progressive design.



The Airflow Bullet Truck wins this match up too in my opinion.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:54 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Guys I'm sorry I have not been following this thread. We have retired the BulletTruck and are now actively designing and engineering our "scratch-built" next-generation rig.

I'll post as much as I can on that new project, but there won't be as many details as there were on the BulletTruck. The creatively bankrupt engineers at all of the big OEM's have stolen enough ideas from us already.
Good luck to your next project.

I am still waiting to get funding before I can start similar project. I will not release anything to the market or web before its patented. That is what I learned from FleXcap...
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:57 PM   #124 (permalink)
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This thread was a great read, all-in-all. Best of luck on the next project!!
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Shepherd (and Vekke)

Sorry to see your ideas got stolen already ...

Isn't there a way to keep a thread off-the-air so to speak, so it can't be seen unless one knows it's there i.e. access by invitation or something like that ?
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:32 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Shepherd, when you do start your new project, please start a new thread for it. (And feel free to post a link to the new thread here.)

Looking forward to it!

Thank you MetroMPG and everyone else for your kind words.

Copy that, on posting the new project.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:22 AM   #128 (permalink)
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Looking at a more progressive design.



The Airflow Bullet Truck wins this match up too in my opinion.
Hi kach22i -

Thanks for the pics comparing the hood rake of the BulletTruck to that square Volvo.

However, hood rake is only a very small part of the fuel-saving equation. As a matter of fact, we did everything that we could to divert the air around the front end, as opposed to running it up over the hood and windshield.

The windshield angle is 65 degrees in the BulletTruck. Kinda like a barn door slightly tilted backward. Also, the air has to go 13' 6" to get over the top of the truck.

So what we did to mitigate this aero problem was to divert the air around the sides, and not over the top, as much as we could. This way, the diverted air has to only travel 4' 3", and not 13' 6", to get back into the slip-stream.

Also not shown in your side profile pic is how friggin' square and flat the front of the Vulva's are. They even accentuate the "squareness" by that stupid diagonal banner and badge that they use!

I wish I had the Plan (Birds-Eye) view of both of these trucks. But, I don't. That is where one would really see the aerodynamic differences.





From the AirFlow Truck web site:

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Old 11-24-2012, 11:57 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Thats amazing work! The look is also intimidating imo, I digg it.
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Sorry to see your ideas got stolen already ...

Isn't there a way to keep a thread off-the-air so to speak, so it can't be seen unless one knows it's there i.e. access by invitation or something like that ?
Everything you put to the internet is visible to the persons who like to see them if they have enough interest. People at car OEMs do have the money and interest to look for any new ideas and think ways to go around or just start using them, because they are bigger...

So if you have plans to patent something dont put anything on the web before you have done the protection of the innovation.

Best entry to the market is with a product that you are able to sell big numbers right from the start you release it. It does not need to be perfect because nothing is but it needs to be superb compared to products on the market when released.

So before releasing you should have ready:
- IP protection, if you need one
- ready selling channel
- enough manufacturing capasity on the standby if needed to expand production
- enough money in your bank account

plus many other factors. Those arent easy pieces for a company who is entering the market with limited resources in all possible ways.

But before you have proven anything to the market its even more tougher to get some credibility. So you have to sacrifice something to get something back. In my mind making an fuel efficient car or truck is at the moment easiest part of the puzzle. Toughest part is to find funding for your projects.

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