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Old 06-04-2014, 01:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Alternator delete help

I'm seriously considering an alternator delete on my 91 ford festiva. The plan is to disconnect the wiring and let it free spin if that is possible?

I have two spare batteries that are just rotting away in my garage. So the plan is to put them in the car and wiring them in parallel with the one under the hood. So basically I have will have three full size car batteries all together.

Couple questions:

With the batteries free, is it worth it financially when charging at the house? I pay 9cents per KWH.

What is the range of three batteries? Can I get 120 miles? I don't use headlights, or radio but I do use the vent fan and the radiator fan is pretty constant.

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Old 06-04-2014, 02:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If the batteries are just standard starting batteries, they will not serve this purpose well because deep discharge will quickly damage them. You need deep cycle batteries. I pay 14 cents per kwh and have calculated that it is worth it, though the initial payout for the deep cycle batteries and charger was kinda steep and I don't expect to get it all back from the fuel savings. But your 1991 Festiva will probably have an alternator that is constantly charging, unlike my civic with its electric load detector. That means your alt likely uses more fuel than mine. MetroMPG did a test using his Metro, and found a 10% increase, IIRC. Your car is possibly similar to his.

As to range, I don't think you'll get 120 miles out of three starter batteries more than a few times. But you could do what I and a few others have done: install an alternator kill switch. You can flip the alt on whenever you have to go further than the easily available range. When the field windings in the alt are disabled by the switch being in the "off" position, the pulley will free wheel and that represents almost no load on the engine.

Most importantly, research how to disable your alt. I saw a guy wreck his alt be disconnecting the wrong wires and then trying to run the car normally. Fried it, apparently.

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Old 06-04-2014, 02:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think your Festiva has a single wire plug on it. You could just wire up a single toggle switch to turn it off. I have done this in my S10, and I watch the Scanguage to determine when the battery is low enough to warrant kicking back on (or when I'm coasting for a distance with the engine on to decelerate). It is probably only worth about 1 mpg on my rig...might be more on your Festiva.

From a full charge, I can go 80-100 miles before I drop below 11.8 volts. This is with a 2 year old starter battery, no vent or lights on. Just the radio running at moderate volume. I will replace this battery with an AGM (probably blue top Optima) marine one.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Forgot to add that I have LED's all around except for the headlights. I'm sure my range would be somewhat reduced using the conventional lighting for turn signals, brakes, etc.

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