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Old 01-09-2019, 07:10 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Of course wear your seatbelt. It's just absurd that law requires individuals to do so.

I can legally juggle chainsaws as a complete novice, yet I have no say in the matter of wearing a seatbelt. I can fly an ultralight aircraft with no experience and no seatbelt legally, but cannot choose not to wear a seatbelt in a vehicle.
It isn't that absurd if you look at likelihood of injury or death multiplied by the rate of activity. Almost all of us (320 million in the US and counting) drive or ride in a car multiple times per day, and nearly 40,000 people are killed in cars annually, so it makes sense for the state to mandate passenger use of safety devices in cars since we as a whole rack up a lot of damage there. (Not saying that any specific requirement like seatbelt laws, federal airbag mandates, or traction control are the way to go, only that the state has an interest in regulating passenger vehicle safety somehow). Meanwhile, how many people were injured while juggling chainsaws or flying ultralight aircraft last year?

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Old 01-09-2019, 07:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Do you count stowaways that fall off as a train death? I attempted to hop on a train once just for the experience, but it was an Amtrak and had already gotten up to 40 MPH by the time it reached me. There was no chance, then I lost interest.
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I walked the trestle when Albany was flooded out, and a freight train came through while I was crouched on the embankment. Close enough for me!
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I've twice hopped the train in town just so I didn't have to wait for the damn thing to pass.
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OK so what does this have to with a 1 passenger car which may or may not have a seat belt?

I do plead guilty to contribution of redirecting the conversation.
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As dumb as it may seem half my trips (especially longer ones) have a passenger
I had hoped an elio like 2 inline seater would have come out
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Of course wear your seatbelt. It's just absurd that law requires individuals to do so.

I can legally juggle chainsaws as a complete novice, yet I have no say in the matter of wearing a seatbelt. I can fly an ultralight aircraft with no experience and no seatbelt legally, but cannot choose not to wear a seatbelt in a vehicle.

Still, I see the argument for enforcing safety, and am thankful for the lives it has saved. I'm torn between protecting stupid people from themselves, and maximizing choice (freedom).

Concerning bus safety, it's orders of magnitude safer than passenger vehicles. I feel no need to wear a seatbelt, as the risk is sufficiently low.

I think part of the point, also, is to protect others from liability if they accidentally kill you.

Ultralights usually don't crash into each other on crowded roadways. You're more likely to kill yourself than anyone else.

Same with juggling chainsaws.
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If we want to try talking about design once again, as I see it the Solo succeeds in that being a one seater the wheelbase is kept short, and proportionally the front track can be incorporated into the body much better than comparable tandem configurations that often feature front wheels outside of the bodywork resulting in excessive drag, wheel fairings or other penalties.
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So, it has a 17.3 kWh battery, and range of 100 miles. Worst case, they let you use all 100%, thats 173wh/mile. That is pretty good. Even better if they actually manage the battery correctly and don't let you use the full capacity.
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There is good reason to consider government regulation as the minimum requirement. After 40 plus years in the transportation business I am seriously contemplating fitting inertial reel lap belts on my collection of two wheeled machines capable of 20 mph or more. Any fairing I build has crash conditions in mind. Much updating of state laws needs to be done to address enclosed three wheel vehicles. If the roll cage can support three times the maximum vehicle weight then a helmet may not be needed when a three or more point harness is used.
For an enclosed electric motorcycle the price of $15,000 USD would be competitive. Don't expect much in the way of heat or AC.

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