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Old 11-07-2014, 12:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I just turned 25, so hopefully that will drop the price. But I also ran into roadblocks because of my truck's age (most companies won't insure pre-1981 vehicles) and my car's modifications (engine swap, suspension, exhaust, etc). Some people lie about mods, but I don't feel comfortable with that. And of course Michigan is "no-fault", which means everything's your fault.

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Old 11-07-2014, 12:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The no-fault thing sucks, especially since we have 5 cars (unnecessary, I know). Insurance on the beaters is cheap, my truck is $11/month, van is $14, Buick is $13. But then add, what, $16.75/month now to Michigan for the no fault?

I know guys that have quite a few motorcycles, but find it not worth keeping them on the road thanks to MI no fault. When I last plated my YZ it was $75/year for insurance. Plus $165(?) for no fault.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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$55/yr for the '88 Toyota pickup, about the same for the Insight. Smog is about $20-25. Newer cars pay quite a bit more, though: the fee is based on original MSRP, depreciated about 10%/yr.

PS: Should note that this is in Nevada.

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Old 11-07-2014, 03:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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About $70/yr here in TX, it might vary a little based on weight. I believe they use GVWR here for that portion. Plus there's a yearly state "safety" inspection which is $14.50. In reality it's more like a nod to shops to find stuff they can so conveniently fix for you. Urban counties also tack smog checks on top if that.

California was a bit different. It could be dirt cheap, as it was for my Mustang - smog exempt, just write a $50 check to the DMV and you were golden. Newer cars had the smog checks, and part of the registration fee (I think) was based on book value of the car, which could get expensive. Not sure on that last part as I never drove anything newer than '68 when I was there.

Insurance...about $30/mo.
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In Washington state:
Currently $43.75/53.75/63.75 depending on weight. $43.75 for my Civic.
+ Regional Transit Authority fee which varies by car and city. $4 for my Civic.
+ Local transportation benefit district fees. Many cities charge $20. Mine is $0.
+ Filing fee of $3.00 (Pay them to tax my money...)

So, 50.75 for my Civic.

If I lived in nearby Seattle and had a a heavy pickup truck, it would end up being a bit over $100

Plus...

$20 every few years for mandatory replacement of license plates.

And the "Use Tax" (about 10% of the car's value) paid when you first purchase a car either from a private party or dealer. This is paid EVERY time a car is purchased. This is a big scam in my mind since an older car that has changed hands often can easily generate more tax income to the state than the original purchase price of the car... And then dealerships are allowed to only charge use tax on the difference between the new car's value and the trade-in's value to add incentive for people to buy from a dealer instead of private party.
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Old 11-07-2014, 05:15 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Netherlands, probably the most expensive country in Europe to own and drive a car. Here you pay:

When buying or importing a car.
- untill recently, purchase tax, some 45-50% of the new price. The percentage goes down as the car ages, this still counts for importing used cars before the switch to CO2 tax.
- replaced as of 2011 by "CO2 tax", also really expensive, but at least not punishing people who pay more to get a more fuel efficient car.

- 21% sales tax, on both the purchase price and the tax.

To own a car, you pay:
-Car ownership tax, based on vehicle weight and fuel type. As an educated guess:
start at €160/year at 551 kg, add €40 for every 100 kg extra, multiply by 3 for diesel and LPG (propane) before '96. Those aren't the official numbers, but its pretty spot on. (Theres a calculator that lets you calculate the exact number, but I won't post that here, its in Dutch.)
-Cars over 40 are exempt of this tax.
-Electric cars are currently exempt, but rumor has it that in 2016, they'll pay half the petrol tarif.
-Car has to be inspected every year, but its not that expensive. Its good, because it keeps the real scrapheaps off of the road. (I pay about €40/year to my garage)
-3nd party insurance, I pay about €468 a year (this year). 4 years ago, I paid almost €1k a year.
- Fuel prices are 3x what they are in the USA, because of tax.
- Electricity prices are.. you guessed it, around €0.25/kwh due to tax.
- Automated speed traps everywhere, and confusing time-based speed limits to trick people into speeding. Real nice. "its for safety", sure. (The fines are also really super high compared to our neighboring countries.)

If you get a company car, and you also drive it in your private time, a percentage of the value of the car is added to your taxable income, over which you pay 52% income tax.
Anywhere beteen 0% (electric), 7% (hybrids, electric after the recent tax raise), 14% (hybrid after the recent tax raise, small diesels), 20 (most 'regular' cars) and 25% (sporty cars), depending on how fuel efficient your car is.
And obviously, the company still pays all the other taxes associated with owning the car.

Owning a car here is clearly a privilege thats well-exploited by the government.

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That sucks...

Sounds to me like you should either own a 40+ year old car, or better yet
a electric car and a bunch of solar panels. At those prices it would pay off quickly.




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Old 11-07-2014, 07:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
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California was a bit different.
You can say that again.... The registration cost is based on a nominal "value" for the vehicle, which I think depends on original purchase price and annual depreciation.

For my "old car" (1974 model year), registration is about $70/year. No smog testing is required.

For my "new car" (2012 model year), registration is something like $350/year, but is dropping relatively quickly. Smog testing has not yet been required for it.

My wife has a 1982 car and a 2000 car. I don't recall the registration fees for those, but they are certainly between the two sets that I pay. Smog testing is required every other year for them, and it costs about $80 for the test and cert.

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We also need to include how often the registration has to be paid. In Oregon, it's something like $65 every 2 years. DEQ is only required in certain counties.

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In Washington state:
Currently $43.75/53.75/63.75 depending on weight. $43.75 for my Civic.
+ Regional Transit Authority fee which varies by car and city. $4 for my Civic.
+ Local transportation benefit district fees. Many cities charge $20. Mine is $0.
+ Filing fee of $3.00 (Pay them to tax my money...)

So, 50.75 for my Civic.

If I lived in nearby Seattle and had a a heavy pickup truck, it would end up being a bit over $100

Plus...

$20 every few years for mandatory replacement of license plates.

And the "Use Tax" (about 10% of the car's value) paid when you first purchase a car either from a private party or dealer. This is paid EVERY time a car is purchased. This is a big scam in my mind since an older car that has changed hands often can easily generate more tax income to the state than the original purchase price of the car... And then dealerships are allowed to only charge use tax on the difference between the new car's value and the trade-in's value to add incentive for people to buy from a dealer instead of private party.
This is why my mom purchased the Acura TSX and registered it. WA has ludicrous fees and rules. Yearly DEQ no matter if you live out in the sticks or in a crowded city. Tax on used car purchases. Yearly registration. WA sucks.
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This is why my mom purchased the Acura TSX and registered it. WA has ludicrous fees and rules. Yearly DEQ no matter if you live out in the sticks or in a crowded city. Tax on used car purchases. Yearly registration. WA sucks.
Emissions testing in WA is weird now...

New cars must now meet California's strict requirements.
Vehicles must be tested for emissions every other year
Except:
  • The first 5 years after a new car is bought
  • Any car more than 25 years old.
  • Any car made in 2009 or later
  • Any motorcycle
  • Almost any diesel
  • Toyota Prius or Honda Insight

In about 20 more years, no emissions testing will be done.

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