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Old 03-25-2013, 05:18 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I was just caught in a traffic jam (very slow but also very short). 300 m stop&go in first gear at about 3 km/h average, I consumed 48,1 mL in 220 m = 21,7 l/100 km
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(or maybe fuel sipping piglet)

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Old 03-25-2013, 06:22 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I'm running a stock AX 1.5 on 50-75% veg oil at the moment and getting 75 mpg (imp) or 3.8 l/100km so I have some way to go. I have an air leak into the fuel line to track down at the moment but once that's sorted i'm back on the MPG case. Weight to loose, gaps to seal and an alternator to loose.
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3,8 is already a nice start. I'm looking forward to your alternator deletion, it's also on my list of things to test one day.

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My flow measurement device is amazing.

A few months ago, my preheating box was down so I had to warmup the glowplugs under the hood manually. Meaning I couldn't do engine off starting : there is a 500 m slight decline where I started to roll with the engine off before starting at a red light. I was able to see that these 500 m done with the engine on consumed 130 mL (cold engine + idle at red lights) resulting in an 0,15-0,20 l/100 km average improvement on my total 80 km day trip. It was unexpectable for me that such a small part could affect that much the global consumption.

I could also highlight the different efficiencies. On the flat, my average consumption was 3,05 l at 75 km/h average = 20,7% engine efficiency. On a 8 km climb at 2,5% average at the same speed, my average consumption is only 3,51 l (about 80% throttle in 5th gear at 1900 rpm), that makes a 35% efficiency. And when I go the same part downhill I do EOC, I get 1,03 l/100 km (have to turn the engine on on some flats). The average of uphill and downhill is 2,27 l/100 km for 75 km/h, which is way less than what I get on the flat confirming that pulse&glide or hills can get better mpg.

The big tires helped FE but not as much as expected. They returned an average 3,05 l/100 at 75 km/h vs 3,14 for the original ones. I think I underestimated the aero impact of such big tires (car is 27 mm higher on the front also). Besides, they got only 0,0099 on a Cr test in the same conditions as last time where I got 0,0095 with my OEM tire. They are supposed to be 2 classes better than my 155s (B vs E). Strange...
One thing is sure, reducing RPM helped a lot : worse Cr, worse CdA and yet better FE. I won't keep these tires also due to the fact that I had to move my bumper to make them fit but they are not lost for everybody though, my dad will take them for his 305. I will probably test 145/80 R14 (cheap 2nd hand first) next, they are 7.4% bigger which might be the biggest possible without touching the bumper.

Changing the 5th gear is always nearer. Before changing, I have to do FE tests at constant speed in the last gear (30 to 110 km/h).
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Instrumentation is the key to FE !

Tire wise, do you have the three bolt wheel patern ?
If it's a yes, you could check 2 cv and the like wheels, they are 15 inches !
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Yes, three bolt. I've already considered 2CV wheels (I got a lot of spare), the problem is that the spacing is different and to mount them, I would need an adaptation plate. But yeah, 125R15 tires would be amazing (provided they don't have too bad RR), 6.2% bigger and lowest CdA.
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:10 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Too tall a wheel might increase your turning radius to the point of not being driveable thought ...

For three bolts wheels, Smart car comes to mind.
The rear wheel are fat but the front one are appropriate.
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And talking of wheels I've taken off the spare wheel, tool kit and supporting frame. Together with removing the rear seats. That's quite a weight!
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Pity I can't get rid of weight because usually I travel far away from home and without spare and tools I could get into serious trouble. But anyway weight is much of a problem in the city not on the highway.
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Speaking of lightening, I do have a to do list :
engine hooks and its screws
gearbox hook and its screws
rear screen wiper and motor
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Hi Hypermiler AX , well done with your AX . I had a Pug 106 1,5 Diesel for the last 60tkm , but no Chance to come under 4 Liter . My AX 1,4 Diesel consumpt actually 3,61 Liters , thats Nice , but it can be better . I am actually searching for the longer Transmission from the 106 1,5 Diesel , this will be the first bigger Modification . some smaller modifications in work .
where have you the 5th gear ratio from ? it´s very interesting , i have never seen this in the plans of the peugeot 106 MA Gearboxes .
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