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Old 09-08-2008, 06:14 PM   #101 (permalink)
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could that be a safety thing to ?


It looks as though they are on every articulated bus in LA.

Style??? Efficiency???

As for the zigzag tape, after reading the article on the glider and seeing the enhanced photographs I do believe they work. Their benefit is likely too small to be lost in the every day driving and I suspect that you do not have acces to a wind tunnel and enhanced photography.

Instead of a tuft test try a thread test and use shorter threads?

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Absolutely beautiful pictures. I just wish some where higher def so I could use as a desktop.

PM me and let me know which you like and I will send you full resolution pix.

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Old 09-08-2008, 09:27 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Hi All,

I drove around for a week with tufts behind turbulators the upper 1/3 of one A- pilar. When the conditions were windless, one could see the tufts flowing horizontal on the turbulator side without any motion. On the side without the turbulator the tufts were trailing with about a 15 degree up angle and with some small oscillating motion.

Even slight cross winds completly changed this, however. If the wind came across the car, to the turbulator side, the tufts ran at a 15 degree or more up angle. So, the turbulator benefit was lost completely.

Based on this, I put turbolators on both sides of my Prius. Still, I think there is a possibility that drag is incressed with the Prius.

On cars with higher windshield rakes, the advantage may be more. The issue is that the air is pushed sideways around the edge of the A-pilar. In the Prius the air is at about a 60 degree up angle across the windshield. In other cars it may be more horizontal. When the flow into the A-pilar area is horizontal and pushes out into the slip stream by its own momentum, it will begin to turn over, and turn into vortex. The purpose of the tubulators is to use the cross flow momentum to trip the air into a slip-stream direction.

My guess is there may actually be an optimum windshield angle for vortex formation. Anybody have any info on this? Aerohead ?
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:51 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Beautiful picture. I love prototypes. Reminds me of the Audi A3 wagon or the Volvo C30.

Mini Wagons Unite!

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ac was off.

I just wanted to give everyone the heads up on something ....sealing off the grill and under carrige can change the pressure in your engine and cause it to over heat.

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I think it's mostly high engine temperatures that worry people the most..
That's why most folks closely monitor the engine temperature after making
a grill mod etc.. If it gets too warm, they let in more air..
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Nice idea for the underbelly, but why use lexan for the back half?
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Simply to smooth the air exiting the car.
Plus there is what I call a "French Air Brake" that hangs down and disturbs the air. Not my car but it shows the piece hanging down.







I am exceeding the EPA and I like to drive the speed limit plus 5 mph.
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What did you use for screen material. Regular al window screen or heavier stuff?? Any edging or just loose wires?

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great stuff

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