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Old 11-30-2019, 04:44 PM   #101 (permalink)
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No. That would be bad. We are merely comparing biases.

The other American electric vehicle manufacturer projects reaching their original $11.9K price point in the future and continuing downward. (that may be unofficial so I'm not saying how far in the future)

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Old 11-30-2019, 09:41 PM   #102 (permalink)
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I love the Bollinger, too - but you will be able to get 3 base CYBRTRKs for less than 1 Bollinger.
The base Tesla is 2wd, there is no such thing with Bollinger or Rivian. At least compare a 4wd to 4wd. Since when has Tesla used the cost argument? Compared to what you can actually buy today from Tesla the long range Model X you are talking over $100k and pretty close to the Bollinger and more than the Rivian.
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Old 11-30-2019, 10:57 PM   #103 (permalink)
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"This truck is" ....many things to many people.
Considering that of the 3 vehicles I own 2 are trucks, including a 4x4 F-150, the mid level Cybertruck is a reasonable replacement for one of them. I don't mind bizarre vehicles, and am hoping for another 20+ year ownership cycle.
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Old 12-01-2019, 02:16 AM   #104 (permalink)
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I've put my $100 down - that's two new car deposits in two days (the other being a 'real' order of a Suzuki Jimny) neither will be here any time soon. When this comes out my diesel work van will be out of warranty and likely to start costing serious $$.

In Australia, it's likely to cost AU$85k for the twin motor, which compares to $80k for the base (old model) Ram 1500 or a top spec Ranger at about the same price. Tesla haven't been price gouging our market like the established players often do- we pay the US price + taxes and shipping.

Difference is, it blows all the competition completely out of the water in any meaningful metric.

Million mile warranty.
No more carpark dings (I'll be clear bra-ing the whole truck as stainless still scratches - have a look at your kitchen sink)
No clear coat peeling and PITA washing using expensive products
No servicing
Air suspension (I've wanted air suspension for Sooooo long - mostly to make loading easier)
4W independent suspension with adjustable dampers (most pick ups sold here ride on cart springs with drum brakes)
Crazy acceleration
6.5' bed is not great but with a tail gate extender should be fine really. Built in ramp is genius (can possibly be driven this way?)
NO wheel arches in the tray!
Hopefully has a frunk for shopping while the back is full of tools
Talk of onboard solar adding 15 miles/day range
Onboard A/C
Usual Tesla stuff like Sentry, self driving, cooling cab while parked after a hot day of work(this alone is almost worth the spend) etc
The model S is still current, if you'd bought an ICE when those came out you'd be 2-3 generations old by now. This is likely the last car/truck I'll ever need to buy, so if they keep making them forever it's a big plus.
Summon mode will get it into my garage even if the doors might not open.
I'm upgrading my solar array so fuel will be close to 'free', no more hypermiling

I thought the styling was a joke at first too, but:

-I'm an 80's kid so I love wedgie shapes, it will go great with my silver 84 Celica rally car on a trailer.
-The somewhat home built look means less than perfect DIY mods are OK - I agree I think it needs Countach fender flares
-I once acquired a van I always thought hideous - a few personal touches and it really grew on me

To me it's a sort of spiritual successor to the 2CV, Beetle et al- nail the design brief and worry about how it looks later -both considered ugly when new.

I'm going to downsize my collection of seven cars to just 2-3, because I think the Cybertruck will be that flexible. Air up the suspension add 37" tyres and go mudding. Air down, add low profile rubber and go to the track. My racking fitout will go along the front wall of the bed, floor to ceiling, with smaller shelves either side, all on wheels for easy conversion to a play truck. Could possibly gut the rear seat area for more tool storage.

The only down side I can see is that it's a bit big for our roads, but it's only slightly bigger than my van, but that's OK as it should be parking ding proof. If you're going to tow a lot range might be marginal - the tri-motor would be handy there.
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I'm thinking a Cybertruck could replace 2 vehicles in my stable too, albeit 2 cheap vehicles with an insanely expensive one (most I've spent was $17k, which I consider extremely expensive).

I'd let the old Dodge/Cummins go... no idea what it's worth, but probably not much more than the motor. $3-4k perhaps? I would probably also turn in the company vehicle and drive the Cybertruck instead. Work would pay some portion of the monthly payments and "maintenance", plus reimburse work miles at the federal rate.

Never selling the Acura since that's the last manual transmission my family will ever see. Plus, it's probably only worth $5k now or so, which is less than I value it at. Of course, never selling the motorcycle. Everything else can go though.
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Old 12-01-2019, 04:07 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Old 12-01-2019, 05:30 PM   #108 (permalink)
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The Cybrtrk still looks ugly to me. That's still the only negative, but it is kinda important

I've read about a 'Cybertruck Reaction Cycle' ... where the initial shock and dislike of the truck becomes acceptance and finally desire. Some people went through the cycle in an hour. Some in a day. And others are reporting that it took a week. I think when we hit a month and longer, there will be reports of those times as well.

If it happens to me, it'll be more in the range of a month, or maybe a year?

I am on the fence ... A model Y or a Cybrtrk? On specs alone it should be the Cybertruck. Lower cost, more utility ... if only it wasn't so FUGLY!

The deposit is $100 US ... so maybe I'll take a chance and just order one. It'll lock in the cost of the full self-driving ... maybe I'll cover all the bases and order both a Y and a cybertruck and figure out which one fits the best when they get closer to delivery? Contrary to what is claimed, I don't believe that we, in Canada, will see the Y until 2023, the Cybertruck maybe 2024.

It's not just my issue ... I don't think that my wife would drive around, even as a passenger, in the Cybertruck. She's still in the disgust part of the cycle ... I'm perhaps a bit closer to the acceptance portion ...
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I was doing a bit of calculations,

Based on the size and an expected Cd of .3-.35 per a recent tweet and the power consumption of the X, I am expecting the battery packs to be approximately

120kwh for the single motor
150kwh for the dual motor
250kwh for the tripple motor.

Making a few assumptions if the lager battery packs are available for upgrade

Single motor $53,000 for 550 miles (2 wheel drive bonus)
Dual motor $60,000 for 500 miles

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Old 12-01-2019, 11:09 PM   #110 (permalink)
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I've been fascinated by this since I first saw it, but never had the right vehicle to try it:



Would be perfect on the blank canvas that is the CT.

Bright green like my van and Jimny would also work I think.

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