ideas for first car

[jimchitas]

Im now 17,(its been 2 years) i getting in 2 months my licence and i will be starting to work so im think to buy a car im a car enthusiast and i have work in some on my friends cars , my preference will be car under 2L due to some taxes in greece
I want something small in terms of size, efficient, cheap to mantain ," that is kinda fast"
• opel corsa d 1.7 cdti
• ibiza 6L 1.9 tdi
• polo mk4 the facelift one 1.9 tdi (my favourite one)
• e36 1.8tds (worse my opinion)
• fiat stilo and punto the 1.9 jtd
• opel astra gtc 1.9 cdti (jtd)
• golf 5 gen 4 motion 1.9 tdi
Be free to say anything and your preference,
Most of you notice all options are diesel its because fuel is cheaper to buy(-0,35€ per L compared to petrol) and the engines are more efficient and robust

[boingk]

The Polo would be my pick from the list - with that engine it'll be much quicker and potentially more efficient than the Golf.

I'm unfamiliar with the Ibiza though so can't comment there.

Have you also considered the Ford Fiesta 1.6 diesel? I'm running one at the moment and it's decent to drive. Factory rated at 90hp / 200Nm, however also tuned to 130hp / 300Nm on the same engine with minor fuelling and boost mods.

I'm sure similar things can be done to the VW's but it would depend on what is available locally.

If you are concerned about economy then search the site or users and see what vehicles in that range are getting the best results.

Cheers!

[jimchitas]

I mean ford fiesta mk5-mk6 looks nice but i have seen a lot reliability issues and i know its true ,those duratoq diesel engines are not the best thing when it comes to reliability its more efficient than the other options i have suggested ,thanks for the suggestion

[Piotrsko]

Im a tdi fanboy......the golf has a bunch of issues which are easy to fix, but still leaves it parked while you scrounge parts, and additionally mediocre aero. The computer system invades everything. The polo has more opportunities to play with economy.

[Ecky]

I can't speak for the European market, but broadly speaking, BMW and Fiat rank near the bottom in total cost of ownership and maintenance, while VW group is typically in the lower half (model dependent), and Ford and Opel are only middle of the pack. None of these would be my choice for a first car, but if I needed to pick among them (and without being personally familiar with most of these), I'd steer clear of BWM and Fiat especially. They can be fine cars, once you have lots of time and money to put into them. I certainly didn't at 17.

[jimchitas]

Originally Posted by Ecky

I can't speak for the European market, but broadly speaking, BMW and Fiat rank near the bottom in total cost of ownership and maintenance, while VW group is typically in the lower half (model dependent), and Ford and Opel are only middle of the pack. None of these would be my choice for a first car, but if I needed to pick among them (and without being personally familiar with most of these), I'd steer clear of BWM and Fiat especially. They can be fine cars, once you have lots of time and money to put into them. I certainly didn't at 17.

Im looking at older models from my experience opel is the most reliable and then its vw , next if gonna buy a petrol car i have more fuel cost , and less reliability (not always) only thing will be cheaper its taxes in terms of tuning i can say petrol is always a better solution but diesel is decent for some decent number's with good efficiency
I dont expect to put a lot money buying the car, and tune it
Those are 1-5k range cars or less
I just want a reliable car i can maintain cheaply,tune it easily, and" little fast " now my options are really reliable even fiat, bmws ones those engines last only gearboxes are kinda @ss

[redpoint5]

I know nothing about Greece, energy prices, taxation, etc... but I'd be looking at a used EV for lower operational costs and low maintenance; only if there is easy access to charging at home.

[freebeard]

Im now 17... im a car enthusiast and i have work in some on my friends cars

it's just me, but if I was stating out again at 17*, I'd be looking for something with no doors and windows. They're just complications.

I'd look for a dead Myers Manx (or a clone) and do a home brew EV conversion.



edit: *You won't be young very long, take my word for it, take the chance while you can.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Most likely, nowadays the Corsa with the Isuzu-designed engine might be the hardest to find replacement parts at a reasonable cost.

Maybe the most conservative option would be the Fiat Punto, which probably would be my choice.

[jimchitas]

Let me give you some clue about greece and cars in general,
first fuel prices : chepeast is lpg 0,9-1 euro per l then its diesel which is 1,3-1,6 euro per l then its petrol with 95 octanes is 1,7-1,9 higher octanes are + 0,1 per l (octanes are diffrent in eu )
taxes : are based of car year and emissions for some cars (new cars) in older vehicles are based of year and discplacent and we have some a weird tax called luxury tax ( bad translation ) if a car is over 2l you need to pay 300 euro more if its 2,3 L you will need to pay 400 something euro and it goes...) so people are wise for what they will choose this why we dont got any american cars due to discplacemnt
car prices used market: overpriced lets say 2k-3k more than average market in each car i will give examples
subaru wrx mk2 10-15k
diesel corsas 1,3 5-7k ( efficient thats why they are so high)
smartfortwo 2-3k
lancer evolution 35-45k
audi s3 8p 10-18k
good looking cars are ovepriced especially if they are german

average cars in greece based of my view :
Toyota yaris
opel corsa c-d
opel astra g-h (vauxhall)
hyundai atos
skoda octavia mk1-mk2
peugeot 206-207-106-208
every cheap small displacemnt hatchback
golf 3-4-5
audi a3-a4 8l,8p
seat ibiza 6l
seat leon mk1-mk2
seat toledo (leon gen)

cars people love in greece (most tuned , best ones)
peugeot 106 rallye
audi s3 8l-8p
ibiza cupra 6l
octavia mk1-mk2 20vt
audi tt mk1-mk2 1,8 20vt and tsi
corsa d opc
astra h opc
civic ep3 typer r
corolla 1,8 vti
peugeot 207 rc
impreza turbo wrx or sti
golf 4-5 gti
bmw e30-36 318is
seat leon cupras
fiat punto gt ( especially first gen)
alfa romeo mito 1.4 turbo

so this is greece , we are kinda limited but yea