Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-18-2010, 09:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: belgium
Posts: 663

vectra a - '95 Opel Vectra GLS
90 day: 37.51 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 44 Posts
bumper vents

would drilling a lot of small holes in the upper portion of my rear bumper help reduce drag?

i'd put them in the locations marked in red


the idea is based on the mercedes taillight vents that take air from underneath the car and vent it at the edge of the taillights to improve a clean airflow sepparation wich would not occur if the lights had no vents and where shaped as the are.

the main idea behind my proposal is that air curently being scooped up by the rear bumper would be vented trought the holes due to the pressure difference.

if nothing else this should increase the pressure behind the car, but perhaps also stabilise the airflow.

the holes near the edge of the bumper might help a little to improve sepparation there.
the holes would be in the unpained portion of the bumper so they'd be fairly invisible. larger holes with some incerts might even resemble parking sensors. right now the bumper doesn't fit very tight and looking from below you can actually see light between the bumper and the trunklid edge so perhaps air is already being vented trought there.

but could it work and produce a measurable difference or could it have potential downsides?

__________________
aer·o·dy·nam·ics: the science of passing gass

*i can coast for miles and miles and miles*
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 01-18-2010, 11:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
In a similar thread, I remember a post from Phil (Aerohead) mentioning that the area under your car isn't really acting as a parachute for air, rather dragging along a stagnant bubble, keeping actual flow away from parts inside the bubble.

The thread discussed the uses and potential benefits of "speed holes".
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 11:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
This post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead View Post
Ollie,imagine that the air captured within the boundary between both bumpers and the rocker panels just travels with the car.Like a pool of water upside down,with no influence from gravity.
If air WERE moving there,it would be like a literal torture-chamber for the air,with nothing but separated flow and mass quantities of turbulence.
By "capturing" air underneath there,all the air flowing below,will pass by undisturbed,with an un-obstructed path to the rear where it can inject it's kinetic energy into the wake to dilute it's drogue effect,That's where the drag is,behind the car.
If you cut a hole,now you've let the air out of the dam and re-opened the torture-chamber.And then there is the chance that ALL the air under the car will be turbulence,adding to the wake resulting in higher drag.
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 06:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
epic stock master
 
luvit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: US
Posts: 377

86 Accord LX (carb) - '86 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 35.57 mpg (US)
Thanks: 19
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
some folks fill their rear bumper with spray foam.
i don't know if they made scientific measurements before and after spraying foam.
__________________
.
single person car thread
.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 07:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Madison AL
Posts: 1,123

The Geo - '93 Geo Metro
Team Metro
90 day: 45.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 30
Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts
Belly pan.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 07:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by luvit View Post
some folks fill their rear bumper with spray foam.
i don't know if they made scientific measurements before and after spraying foam.
Not likely...
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 08:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
epic stock master
 
luvit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: US
Posts: 377

86 Accord LX (carb) - '86 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 35.57 mpg (US)
Thanks: 19
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
not likely they took measurements?
or not likely it helped...
__________________
.
single person car thread
.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 08:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by luvit View Post
not likely they took measurements?
or not likely it helped...
Measurements.

Most people don't bother, they just assume it works.

(Whatever "it" happens to be.) (Magnets.)
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 05:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,267
Thanks: 24,392
Thanked 7,360 Times in 4,760 Posts
banana vents

on Dr. Morelli's CNR "banana" car,he did "vent" the rear bumper,however,the air was taken from BELOW the bellypan diffuser and allowed to communicate with the wake,via a series of slots between the back of the car and bumper fascia.
My guess,is that this was one of the "zero-lift" aspects of that car.
The important thing,is that he never allowed air into the "under-carriage,always keeping it below the pan.

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help me choose the most aerodynamic bumper MaxMatt Aerodynamics 15 01-09-2010 10:20 PM
Winter is almost here... time for a beater front bumper! Sean T. Aerodynamics 7 11-30-2009 05:04 PM
Neon bumper (not 56k freindly) vielecustoms Aerodynamics 5 11-22-2009 12:59 PM
Decorative vents in front bumper? rjacob Aerodynamics 9 07-18-2008 02:16 PM
advice - Jeep under bumper something? hans2vt Aerodynamics 6 07-07-2008 04:16 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com