California to ban selling new gas-powered cars by 2035

[oil pan 4]

Wasn't talking about population density.

We absolutely don't need emissions inspections in every state. If those 26% of people want emissions testing in their mega city, then they can have it.
The 50% of people who crammed them selves into about 2% of the land area don't need dictate what the rest of the country does based problems they created.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Wasn't talking about population density.

We absolutely don't need emissions inspections in every state. If those 26% of people want emissions testing in their mega city, then they can have it.
The 50% of people who crammed them selves into about 2% of the land area don't need dictate what the rest of the country does based problems they created.

OR has some DEQ counties and most don't. The DEQ counties hold the majority of the population. Fine by me. Funnily enough, my "mom's" car has always been registered in an non-DEQ county.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Wasn't talking about population density.

We absolutely don't need emissions inspections in every state. If those 26% of people want emissions testing in their mega city, then they can have it.
The 50% of people who crammed them selves into about 2% of the land area don't need dictate what the rest of the country does based problems they created.

What matters is where people live not acres of land. Land doesn't get asthma from air pollution - kids do.

It isn't just the 10 largest metros that have air quality issues. I used to live in Birmingham, AL. 49th largest metro area in the USA with 1.1 million people. Horrible air quality.

[oil pan 4]

The government needs to make sure it's vehicles causing the air pollution then if the people decide they want emissions testing, then let them have it.

[jakobnev]

I'm thinking emissions zones is the solution here.

You could get a vehicle that is cheaper, more fuel efficient and less of a hassle to maintain - but you can't take it in to the bigger cities.

EV-ERs could have very cheap range extenders and still go into cities in EV-mode, but they would have to be constructed such that the use of the range extender is easily noticeable from outside, so it can be policed. (Could be just that the exhaust need to have some minimum loudness.)

[Piotrsko]

So you're proposing the London method of control. Wonder how that would go in a place where the decision to wear face masks is a major freaking social issue.

[redpoint5]

We already have zones in essence. In Oregon there is something like 3 counties that require yearly DEQ inspection, and the rest do not.

Give authority to the most specific (smallest) governing body capable of handling the issues that are particular to them.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

We already have zones in essence. In Oregon there is something like 3 counties that require yearly DEQ inspection, and the rest do not.

Give authority to the most specific (smallest) governing body capable of handling the issues that are particular to them.

The Oregon Portland Metro area requires auto emission testing because we failed national ambient air quality standards (NAAQS) for decades. As of 2017 we are no longer in violation but Oregon has decided to keep DEQ inspections in order to stay in compliance. Better to stay in compliance than be under a federal mandate and review.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by jakobnev

I'm thinking emissions zones is the solution here.

I take it with a grain of salt.

You could get a vehicle that is cheaper, more fuel efficient and less of a hassle to maintain - but you can't take it in to the bigger cities.

Considering how some vehicles are singled out as unsuitable for traffic inside the emission zones based on age and stock emission ratings, it becomes quite objectionable when some newer models compliant to current Euro standards have an engine which is basically the same as the one fitted to the "obsolete" older one. Even though some emissions control devices are in fact a PITA, had the European Union and its member states not being so strict when it comes to vehicle certification, presumably some folks would rather get a replacement engine rated at a more advanced standard once their stock engine is due to an overhaul. Or to try some other way to overcome the emissions issue, such as experiences with water injection (or alcohol).

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

The Oregon Portland Metro area requires auto emission testing because we failed national ambient air quality standards (NAAQS) for decades. As of 2017 we are no longer in violation but Oregon has decided to keep DEQ inspections in order to stay in compliance. Better to stay in compliance than be under a federal mandate and review.

How long do you think DEQ will be around after significant EV market penetration? Any prediction for what year we would drop DEQ?