Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Hybrids
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-29-2011, 08:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903

honda cb125 - '74 Honda CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuter Vehicles Inc. Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Honda Civic VX
Thanks: 867
Thanked 434 Times in 354 Posts
Can the OBDII port give info to control an electric motor?

The other day I saw the start of a home built plug in hybrid truck and it looked like it was well on it's way to being put on the road, the only thing that I did not like was that it was going to have two throttles!
So my question is focused on the OBDII port of a Ford Ranger pickup truck, because that is the vehicle that was being converted and my parents have the same vehicle and if I can make something that works I think they would let me make their truck a plug in hybrid, or at least my mom asked when I was going to start that kind of project with their truck

My two lines of thought are to either go with a simple and crude speed controller, basically a vacuum diaphragm that would control a mechanical throttle pot box for the electric motor, this would be the same idea and driving with a vacuum gauge only the electric motor would be kicking in under low vacuum.

The other idea is to use the OBDII port and have something like an Arduino monitor engine load, although I suspect that is more or less looking at vacuum as well? but with that it would be all electronic so tweaking could be done with programming instead of with springs and hoses and if done well should, in theory be more reliable.

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-30-2011, 06:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
Eco-ventor
 
jakobnev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: sweden
Posts: 1,631

Princess - '92 Mazda MX-3 GS
House of Tudor
Team Mazda
90 day: 53.54 mpg (US)

Shirubāarō (*´ω`*) - '05 Toyota Prius Executive
Team Toyota
90 day: 54.88 mpg (US)

Blue Thunder - '20 Hyundai IONIQ Trend PHEV
Team Hyundai
Plug-in Hybrids
90 day: 587.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 74
Thanked 702 Times in 445 Posts
Send a message via MSN to jakobnev
Maybe it has a TPS with a voltage signal?
__________________




2016: 128.75L for 1875.00km => 6.87L/100km (34.3MPG US)
2017: 209.14L for 4244.00km => 4.93L/100km (47.7MPG US)
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2011, 11:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903

honda cb125 - '74 Honda CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuter Vehicles Inc. Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Honda Civic VX
Thanks: 867
Thanked 434 Times in 354 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakobnev View Post
Maybe it has a TPS with a voltage signal?
Yes, it does and adding sensors on is not an issue, but the engine already has the full range of sensors needed and they all feed in to the computer with a nice OBDII plug that allows my scan gauge to read that info, so why not use that plug to talk right to the speed controller, that is if it works, right?

It sounds tho, like the CAN-bus bar that the OBDII plug is taping in to can have a lag time because of slow refresh rates and if that is the case then my idea might not work, but if the refresh rate is quick enough then it should work just fine.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 03:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903

honda cb125 - '74 Honda CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuter Vehicles Inc. Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Honda Civic VX
Thanks: 867
Thanked 434 Times in 354 Posts
I've been poking around a bit and asking a lot of people a lot of dumb questions, along with reading a bit about the Arduino micro controllers.
There appears to be two options that I've found for a "shield" (a piece of hardware/circuit board that plugs in to the Arduino to expand what it can do) that connects up to the OBDII port and gives useful information to the Arduino, so from the looks of it decoding the OBDII port is a hard ware issue not a soft ware issue, it's also a problem that sounds like it has already been thought about.
Sigalabs | Vehicle OBD2 Shield with STN1110 IC

Is the shield that looks like it's going to be more useful as it sounds like it self recognizes the vehicle it's plugged in to.

2nd issue that I was not sure about but checked today was the TPS (throttle position sensor) and if the OBDII port would get a reading from it if the engine was not running, my reason for wanting to know this is if you are driving a plug in hybrid and only making a short trip you don't need the gas engine to be running but you still want to use the accelerator pedal and TPS to control the electric motor and thus drive the vehicle, as it turns out the TPS gives the computer and thus the OBDII plug a reading even when the gasoline engine is not running.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 04:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
Why not just tap into the TPS sensor and be done with it? Most controllers like to use a POT signal anyways.
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 06:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903

honda cb125 - '74 Honda CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuter Vehicles Inc. Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Honda Civic VX
Thanks: 867
Thanked 434 Times in 354 Posts
Because I also want it to base electric motor speed controller throttle input off engine load when the engine is running, but when the engine is not running the motor speed controller just listens to the TPS.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 08:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
so tap the map sensor,
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post62714

or rpm and tps

use your obd tool to figure out/verify the lod formula from map

__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!

Last edited by dcb; 12-07-2011 at 09:01 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com