Charging woes...

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The pen is powerless. The words written only have the authority granted by the will of people.

Take the "idea" of "forgiving" student loan debt. If anyone thinks they are going to coerce me into paying for someone else's bad investment, they've got another thing coming. If college was such a fantastic idea, then those who attended don't need any help. In fact, they should be paying me since I'm so disadvantaged without it. What a bunch of non-sequitur thinking.

It takes about 72-hours, and someone like retired-General Colin Powell in front of a microphone to change the will of the people.
It's taken as little as a single newspaper headline.

[redneck]

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However, the actual increase in supply required is likely to be less due to improvements in charging technology, and the 18 GW figure is cited as the most extreme scenario.

So, maybe only 15 GW or 5 nuclear power plants ?

Where is the additional base load going to come from ?

Last time I checked the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow at night.





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[aerohead]

International, interhemispheric, latitudinal, and longitudinal grid inter-ties, across all time-zones, plus grid-scale batteries. That includes nukes.
Re-regulated and state-owned if necessary.
Dollar-a-year-men and a Civilability Industrial Complex.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by aerohead

It takes about 72-hours, and someone like retired-General Colin Powell in front of a microphone to change the will of the people.
It's taken as little as a single newspaper headline.

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[redneck]

Originally Posted by aerohead

International, interhemispheric, latitudinal, and longitudinal grid inter-ties, across all time-zones, plus grid-scale batteries. That includes nukes.
Re-regulated and state-owned if necessary.
Dollar-a-year-men and a Civilability Industrial Complex.

No offense.

But that is all pie in the sky...


And a bit socialist. 😐



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[JSH]

Originally Posted by redneck

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So, maybe only 15 GW or 5 nuclear power plants ?

Where is the additional base load going to come from ?

Last time I checked the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow at night.





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It isn't base load - it is peak load

The 18GW number comes from a report from the National Grid. The range was 6 to 18 GW if 100% of cars go electric by 2050. 6GW if charging is well managed and most charging is done off-peak and 18GW if charging is completely unmanaged. With the recent statement that future chargers will have off-peak charging programmed as the default it seems the UK is choosing the well managed option.

Where does the extra electricity come from? Maybe the UK just continues their current trend. UK energy consumption has been steadily falling since the mid-00's. By continuing to make other sectors of their economy more efficient they steady create excess capacity that can be used to charge EVs.

Or maybe nothing gets more efficient and we take the middle cause of 12 GW which is 20% of the current 60 GW. The UK would need to add 20% peak capacity over 28 years. That seems doable.



https://assets.publishing.service.go...lectricity.pdf

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redneck

No offense.

But that is all pie in the sky...


And a bit socialist. 😐



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No offense taken.
I myself was very surprised to learn that the United States already had a historical precedent for taking such measures, so it didn't require any 'leap' when sharing some of it's toolbox from the past.
It was just a matter of 'marketing.' ( spin )

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

If college was such a fantastic idea, then those who attended don't need any help.

Some folks attend a college only because of what a diploma entitles them within a professional field, yet I'm sure there are many engineers who actually know less about what their job is supposed to be than what some mechanics could do in a real-world condition if they were granted a higher degree of autonomy. The same applies to politicians who only promise a "miraculous" solution to what is essentially not a problem at all.

[freebeard]

#5 at 6:22 >> #18 at 11:45 -- Seems to be a 'third rail' issue.

Originally Posted by redneck

Last time I checked the sun doesn’t shine and *the wind doesn’t blow at night.*

You should add '...at this time in this location, YMMV'.

base load
International, interhemispheric*, latitudinal, and longitudinal grid inter-ties, across all time-zones, plus grid-scale batteries. That includes nukes.
Re-regulated and state-owned if necessary.
Dollar-a-year-men and a Civilability Industrial Complex.

* Fuller's Bering Straits interconnect.

[By Michael Powers © 1990, 1996
Synopsis
Conventional wisdom holds that the electric utility industry is driven by economic growth, rather than driving such growth; power consumption goes up in a growing economy, for instance, and declines in a slowing one.
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An even more ambitious strategy -- but with a potentially bigger payoff -- is the proposal to develop a global electric energy grid to transmit power from continent to continent just as present-day communications networks move information and finances globally at the speed of light.
The first phase of such a project would be development of the East/West Energy Bridge, a high-voltage, direct current (HVDC) intertie that would link transmission lines in Alaska with those in Siberia, using an underwater cable across the Bering Straits. Such an intertie would permit bulk power transfers between the U.S. and (former) Soviet Union, taking maximum advantage of the difference in power demand between the dayside and nightside of the planet.
The cost of the Energy Bridge is estimated to be $5 billion -- less than two conventional power plants -- but could save U.S. consumers many times that amount by mid-decade, given the savings already being realized through domestic power pooling.
The linkage would create the first truly global market for electricity and also serve as a U.S. gateway for selling exported energy in Pacific rim markets, including the world's most populous nation, China. About 25% of the world's population lives within four time zones bridging 90-120 degrees East longitude (compared with 8% in all of North America), many of whom have yet to receive electrical service.
An international market for electricity also provides a long-range strategy for developing renewable energy resources, such as solar, wave, wind, OTEC, etc. Energy from these sources tends to be transient or intermittent and is now discouraged by utilities in favor of power which is more dependable and more easily dispatched. In a large international market, however, even these sources find their niche, if only on a spot or auction basis.
Much of the conceptual work for this project was done in the early 1970's, in workshops led by engineer and inventor, R. Buckminster Fuller. In a 1971 study, the Natural Resources Committee of the United Nations corroborated the desirability of developing "intercontinental grid systems." In 1984, a World Bank Energy Department paper concluded that developing a regional power pool for the isthmus of Central America would revitalize local economies and save $1 billion annually in utility operating costs alone.

Electric Utilities: Changing Industry, Instrument of Change

I just went looking for the illustration, but this article, from 1990 about work done in the 1970s, is as relevant today as it was then.

Fuller put the tools on the shelf for when we would need them. (*couch*graphene*cough*) He'll be as important as Leanardo Da Vinci in 200 years.

[redpoint5]

With a global electricity market, China would be incentivized to be a net exporter since they have relaxed emissions regulations. Perhaps other developing countries would also have incentive to be an electricity exporter since their pollution allowances would permit it.

On the other hand, perhaps exporting excess renewable electricity will make it more price competitive. Rather than dispatchable supply (generate the electricity demanded), we would have dispatchable demand (generate the demand given the supply). This could result in a net "greening". Hard to say if it would be a net reduction or increase in CO2.

How about tapping into Iceland's geothermal electricity?