Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-30-2008, 03:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Private
Posts: 282
Thanks: 2
Thanked 73 Times in 47 Posts
2 Tank Averages - Anybody else use them?

Hey all,

I seem to be having the ups and downs in my gas logs lately. I decided to try using 2 tank averages. Take the first tank miles and gallons and add the second tank miles and gallons. Divide total miles by total gallons and you have a 2 tank average. Next time add the 2nd tank figures to the 3rd tank figures and so on. This gives me a much smoother view of my progress as it evens out the uneven fills. Here is my chart with the normal and 2 tank figures. Anybody else do this?


  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 09-30-2008, 04:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
Dartmouth 2010
 
SVOboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 6,447

Vegan Powa! - '91 Honda CRX DX
Team Honda
90 day: 66.52 mpg (US)
Thanks: 92
Thanked 122 Times in 90 Posts
Send a message via AIM to SVOboy Send a message via MSN to SVOboy Send a message via Yahoo to SVOboy
The EM fuel log has like 90 day and 3 tank averages which I find useful, but I usually don't pay attention to much besides what the mpguino is telling me.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2008, 08:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Russellville, KY
Posts: 540
Thanks: 8
Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts
I think it's just normal to get the high's and low's along the way because of weather, traffic, and all the other variables. I always top off the tank and even doing that get some pretty large variations.
__________________



  Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 12:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
wagonman76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northwest Lower Michigan
Posts: 1,006

Red Car - '89 Chevrolet Celebrity CL 4 door
Team Chevy
90 day: 36.47 mpg (US)

Winter Wagon - '89 Pontiac 6000 LE Wagon
90 day: 28.26 mpg (US)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford Man View Post
I think it's just normal to get the high's and low's along the way because of weather, traffic, and all the other variables. I always top off the tank and even doing that get some pretty large variations.
Thats usually how mine are, since many tanks are similar conditions but rarely are 2 adjacent tanks similar conditions. The only time I consider the average of adjacent tanks is when I get a bad fill (like when shutoffs are broken on pumps and it overfills). Then Ill consider what I lost in mileage with my apparent gain on the next tank. I do try to fill each tank as consistently as possible, filling at about .1gal/sec and then going to the 2nd kickoff.

I check every tank against the guino. From my initial settings based on the injector flow rate, it reads about 4% high +/- 4% on fuel use, which is still pretty dang close. It could be due to fill variations (and pump calibration). It could also be because of the fuel filter I need to put in once the weather shapes up. Im not changing any guino settings till the new filter is in for a few tanks. However one thing I like about the current setting is that I know Im at least getting what the guino says, Im never disappointed when I calculate the actual fuel use.
__________________

Winter daily driver, parked most days right now


Summer daily driver
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 03:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
Eco Noob
 
Doofus McFancypants's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Tosev 3 - Atlanta GA
Posts: 293

Red Rover - '01 Nissan Altima GXE
90 day: 30.07 mpg (US)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
I tend to focus on the tank averages thenselves - but for plotting i am tracking 3 tank averages in addition to the actuals
- although 2 might be better as i would be spanning a 2 month period than a 3 month one -
__________________
Steve - AKA Doofus McFancypants
------------------------------
"If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line - But it better work this time"

First Milestone passed - 30 MPG (city) 5/15/08
Best City Tank - 8/31/09- 34.3 MPG (EPA= 20)
Best Highway Tank - 5/20/09 - 36.5 MPG (EPA= 28)
------
In effort to drive less:
Miles NOT driven in 2009 = 648 (Work from home and Alt Transporatation)
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 02:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
Boxy is Sexy
 
Z man's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: WV
Posts: 122

xBox - '05 Scion xB
90 day: 40.85 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Z man
My tanks seem to not vary a whole lot, but they are so long, that it may as well be two tanks.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 02:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
Pokémoderator
 
cfg83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,864

1999 Saturn SW2 - '99 Saturn SW2 Wagon
Team Saturn
90 day: 40.49 mpg (US)
Thanks: 439
Thanked 530 Times in 356 Posts
moorecomp -

I wouldn't worry about the tank-to-tank. Watch for the overall trends in the data. Your movin' up from what I can see, .

Also, because your fuel log started in the summer, you should expect it to go down because of your winter weather in Michigan, .

CarloSW2
__________________

What's your EPA MPG? Go Here and find out!
American Solar Energy Society
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 05:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
CAUTION: May Stink!!!
 
BlackDeuceCoupe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Central Arizona (USA) Missing Posts: 225
Posts: 210

BDC's Honda CiViC HX/Si - '98 Honda CiViC HX/Si (HX Shell/Si Swap)
90 day: 40.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Send a message via ICQ to BlackDeuceCoupe Send a message via AIM to BlackDeuceCoupe Send a message via MSN to BlackDeuceCoupe Send a message via Yahoo to BlackDeuceCoupe
Quote:
Originally Posted by SVOboy View Post
The EM fuel log has like 90 day and 3 tank averages which I find useful...
What do those 'black dots' on the 'EM fuel log' graph signify?!?!?

Assuming they are lifetime averages - I would say this is the way to go...
__________________
.:: B16A2 HX/Si Coupe | '98 HX shell with full '99 CiViC Si swap | 40+ MPG
Listen to the people who fail. They know what they're talking about!
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 07:38 AM   #9 (permalink)
EcoModding Dilatant
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 262

Volvo - '00 Volvo V70 XC AWD SE
90 day: 27.7 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4
Thanked 27 Times in 17 Posts
This is a normal statistical relationship. But it is all really an artifact because you still have to fill up the tank every time it is empty. All the variability that is introduced at that time is still there whether you record the MPG then or not. In order to get more precise MPG data you would have to actually double the size of your tank, not just skip a data point between two tanks. It is best to take the measurements for every tank because you then have the most versatility with your data.

How many tanks you should average in your spreadsheet depends on what you want from your data. If you want the best absolute estimation of your car's mileage, average all your data points and have one average MPG figure (but that's a very boring chart ). If you are interested in seeing how your mileage changes over time in response to changes in driving habit, season, or aero devices you should pick shorter measurement periods (per tank for example) and put up with somewhat higher variability from the true average. If you are interested in how your mileage is trending just have your spreadsheet calculate a trend line using individual tank measurements.


Last edited by instarx; 10-02-2008 at 08:10 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to put 14.6 gal in a 13.2 gal tank! Z28WTW EcoModding Central 18 05-14-2009 07:41 PM
is it true that a full tank gives better mileage? gasti_ako General Efficiency Discussion 48 10-09-2008 06:47 AM
Smaller Fuel Tank steensn EcoModding Central 5 07-11-2008 01:09 PM
The acetone test trikkonceptz EcoModding Central 88 06-16-2008 10:27 PM
First tank w SG homeworkhome53 Instrumentation 3 04-13-2008 11:57 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com