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Old 09-07-2022, 02:42 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 09-07-2022, 03:14 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Old 09-07-2022, 04:27 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Why flooding the grid with renewables is a fools errand.


This must be the communists idea of "cheaper".
I pay 6 cents per kWh here in Portland. Renewables mostly. Way cheaper than national average. My apartment electric bill is literally 40 dollars a month using gaming computers and air conditioning and leaving lights on a lot…
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Old 09-07-2022, 04:37 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I pay 6 cents per kWh here in Portland.
Imagine if gas stations prices varied similarly. I pay ~10 cents, while across the river it's twice as much.
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Florescent light guides can raise solar cell's efficiency to 1.5 or better.
As I understand, fluorescent is the most popular way to create white light, but it isn't as efficient as RGB lighting. Perhaps the reason it's more popular is a superior Color Rendering Index (CRI)?
To be clear: The fluorescent material overlays the solar cells and reradiates UV as visible light to be harvested, expanding the usable spectrum.

Light guides are a flat concentrator.

Covered by Robert Murray-Smith: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=Solar.

His video from earlier today is fun: 1671 Nine Of The Strangest Renewable Energy Sources You Have Probably Never Heard Of

Everything from burning dead people to the Energy Duck.
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I pay 6 cents per kWh here in Portland. Renewables mostly. Way cheaper than national average. My apartment electric bill is literally 40 dollars a month using gaming computers and air conditioning and leaving lights on a lot…
Yeah that's all that hydroelectric that we can't build more of. Hydroelectric can't even keep up with demand. Hydroelectric generation has increased about 20% over the last 20 years. Mainly through existing upgrades and adding turbines to low head dams.
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The problem with green energy:
"Don't charge your electric car" or " don't turn on your heat".
It seems like green electricity works grea when you don't use it.
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10% solar fraction

I located the reference, and it's 13%:
B.H.Chowdhury and S. Rahman, in Proceedings of the 20th IEEE Photovoltaic Specialists Conference, Las Vegas, Nevada, 26 to 30 September, 1988 ( IEEE, New York, in press ).
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PV cost parity with Coal

I located this reference as well:
Photovoltaics Today and Tomorrow, by H.M. Hubbard, Director, Solar Energy Research Institute, Golden, Colorado, SCIENCE, VOL. 244, 21 April 1989.
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As of 1989, Coal and Solar PV were of equal cost, $ 0.30-kWh.
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References:
Solar Energy Research Institute
Bell Telephone Laboratories
National Science Foundation
US Department of Energy ( DOE ) National Photovoltaics Program, Stanford University.
Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, Inc., New York.
University of New South Wales, Australia.
Atlantic Richfield Company ( ARCO )
ARCO Solar Inc.
Pacific Gas & Electric, Davis, California test site.
Chronar Corporation, San Diego, California.
SeaWest Power Systems, San Diego, California.
Hespiria Plains solar farm, ARCO Solar, Inc..
Sandia National Laboratory, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
US Patent Office.
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, CalTech, Pasadena, California.
Pacific Northwest Laboratory, Richland, Washington.
American Chemical Society.
Photovoltaic Energy Systems, Casanova, Virginia.
'Social Costs of Energy Consumption,' O. Hohmeyer, ( Springer-Verlag, N.Y., 1988 ).
K.W. Boras, personal communication.
Electric Power Research Institute, Palo Alto, California.
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, Washington, D.C..
Florida Solar Energy Center, Cape Canaveral, Florida.
Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois.
Secretariat of International PVSEC-2, Tokyo, Japan.
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electricity prices in California

A look back at what Enron/ Arthur Anderson did to California is instructive.
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