10-23-2018, 01:27 PM
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Even harder to understand is why Arizona has very little solar given the National incentives that are currently available.
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Q: Why?
A: Because of the idjiots on our Corporation Commission (politics, which we can't discuss).
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10-23-2018, 01:41 PM
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A: Because of the idjiots on our Corporation Commission (politics, which we can't discuss).
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Please elaborate. Idiot policy isn't politics anyhow, it's just a bad idea. Does the utility forbid grid-tie or something? I do know AZ is right-leaning. |
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10-23-2018, 02:05 PM
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As far as I can tell, aside from California state politics don't seem to play into solar grid tie much.
It's more to do with the private energy providers.
Like out here, Excell energy which spans several states likes to make it difficult to do solar.
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10-23-2018, 04:57 PM
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Why is this thread in the Fossil Fuel Free topic?
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10-23-2018, 05:27 PM
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Why is this thread in the Fossil Fuel Free topic?
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It's literally in the first sentence of the original post.
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a little discouragement or encouragement.
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To encourage renewable and fissile fuel use and discourage large scale fossil fuel use, mainly coal if possible.
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10-23-2018, 06:53 PM
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There should essentially be no solar in the PNW valley, except that the states lean very "eco" (eco in the sense that people mean well, but still don't act rationally) and probably has tax incentives to subsidize it, on top of whatever federal subsidy there is.....
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I have a slightly different take. There is no rational reason that every new house in the USA doesn’t have rooftop solar. EVEN in the rainy PNW solar pays back in only 10 years without any incentives or tax credits. The rational time to install solar is when the house is constructed. |
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10-23-2018, 07:07 PM
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If solar could provide 60+ years of weatherproof service, I'd rather spend extra to install it than crappy asphalt, which itself costs a fortune. I'm open to the idea, but I don't want a roof on top of a roof. That just doesn't make sense.
100 years later, why haven't we found an alternative to asphalt for roofing?
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10-23-2018, 07:13 PM
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If solar could provide 60+ years of weatherproof service, I'd rather spend extra to install it than crappy asphalt, which itself costs a fortune. I'm open to the idea, but I don't want a roof on top of a roof. That just doesn't make sense.
100 years later, why haven't we found an alternative to asphalt for roofing?
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We have found an alternative- steel roofs. Last time I replaced my roof it added 10% to the cost but was expected to last twice as long as asphalt.
I do want a roof on a roof. Solar panels with an air gap shade the roof and reduce A/C use in the summer. |
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10-23-2018, 07:16 PM
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I suppose a roof on top of a roof is fine, but I'd want the sub-roof to be cheaper and less durable, with the top layer still expected to be waterproof.
I'm a fan of metal roofs from a practical standpoint, but it stands out in neighborhoods. I'll probably go metal when I have a country home.
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10-23-2018, 07:20 PM
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As far as I can tell, aside from California state politics don't seem to play into solar grid tie much.
It's more to do with the private energy providers.
Like out here, Excell energy which spans several states likes to make it difficult to do solar.
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Solar is hugely political in every state. The battlefront is net metering. Do utilities have to pay customers for the electricity they product and feed back into the grid. Utilities want that electricity (produced at peak time) for free. Solar companies was utilities to pay peak rates. The most popular compromise seems to be kWh credits. The homeowner gets a credit for electricity produced and can use those credits when their production is lower than their needs and they pull from the grid. That should be an easy sell- the utility gets to trade inexpensive off peak electricity for expensive peak electricity. However it isn’t. Utilities are used to getting what they want since most have a monopoly.
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