Go Back   EcoModder Forum > Off-Topic > The Lounge
Register Now
 Register Now
 


Closed Thread  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-17-2011, 03:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,752

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,581
Thanked 3,537 Times in 2,209 Posts
The Concept of Ownership

When you pay off the mortgage you own your house free and clear right? Nope. You can pound as many nails into the walls as you want, but you still have to pay "rent" to the govt to live there. Try not paying that "rent" and the sheriff will take "your" place and auction it off.

It's kind of the same with your vehicles. You might have the title, and the title might have no lienholders, but try to use that vehicle without paying the "rent"- it ain't gonna happen once you get caught. Heck, you may not even be able to do whatever you want to it; if I lit mine on fire and the Fire Dept. catches wind of it, I'll probably get a bill and a citation (not a Chevy).

It seems one CAN own a bicycle- if you got it second-hand you didn't pay any tax, and there isn't any rent either.

What can I say? It's 2 a.m. and I've been awake thinking about how little control or influence I have over anything.

__________________


 
The Following User Says Thank You to Frank Lee For This Useful Post:
spacer (11-21-2011)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 11-17-2011, 05:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
Gen II Prianista
 
Rokeby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ballamer, Merlin
Posts: 453
Thanks: 201
Thanked 145 Times in 89 Posts
Frank,

You might try reading The Price of Civilization by Jeffery Sachs.
This interview with Charlie Rose is sort of a video summary:

Charlie Rose - Jeffrey Sachs

You can get a free pdf download here:
The Price of Civilization - Jeffrey D. Sachs.pdf file from uploading.com!
 
Old 11-17-2011, 06:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
Eco-ventor
 
jakobnev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: sweden
Posts: 1,472

Princess - '92 Mazda MX-3 GS
House of Tudor
Team Mazda
90 day: 53.54 mpg (US)

Shirubāarō (*ω`*) - '05 Toyota Prius Executive
Team Toyota
90 day: 47.46 mpg (US)
Thanks: 63
Thanked 584 Times in 371 Posts
Send a message via MSN to jakobnev
Otoh, driving an unregistered car on your own property is better than free - since gas is subsidized, they are actually paying you for it. (Only true in some locations, YMMV)

And to some extent, the people who are defending the government (and all it's actions you disagree with) are even dying for it.
__________________




2016: 128.75L for 1875.00km => 6.87L/100km (34.3MPG US)
2017: 209.14L for 4244.00km => 4.93L/100km (47.7MPG US)
 
Old 11-17-2011, 06:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
imported Appalachian
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Asheville, NC
Posts: 70

Yoda - '97 Toyota Corolla Base
90 day: 30.51 mpg (US)

She-Ra - '03 Honda Accord EX
90 day: 22.91 mpg (US)

Thor - '04 Toyota 4Runner SR5
90 day: 18.26 mpg (US)
Thanks: 49
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Personally, I like paying property tax because I know the money pays for our schools. I couldn't even imagine a city without schools. What kind of trouble would all the youth get in to?
 
Old 11-17-2011, 06:33 AM   #5 (permalink)
Eco-ventor
 
jakobnev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: sweden
Posts: 1,472

Princess - '92 Mazda MX-3 GS
House of Tudor
Team Mazda
90 day: 53.54 mpg (US)

Shirubāarō (*ω`*) - '05 Toyota Prius Executive
Team Toyota
90 day: 47.46 mpg (US)
Thanks: 63
Thanked 584 Times in 371 Posts
Send a message via MSN to jakobnev
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfguy2000 View Post
Personally, I like paying property tax because I know the money pays for our schools. I couldn't even imagine a city without schools. What kind of trouble would all the youth get in to?
Wouldn't paying for schools with child tax be more fair?
__________________




2016: 128.75L for 1875.00km => 6.87L/100km (34.3MPG US)
2017: 209.14L for 4244.00km => 4.93L/100km (47.7MPG US)
 
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to jakobnev For This Useful Post:
Gasoline Fumes (11-19-2011), JasonG (11-24-2011), Ryland (11-18-2011)
Old 11-17-2011, 06:43 AM   #6 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,752

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,581
Thanked 3,537 Times in 2,209 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfguy2000 View Post
Personally, I like paying property tax because I know the money pays for our schools. I couldn't even imagine a city without schools. What kind of trouble would all the youth get in to?
Awww ****, sorry I started this.
__________________


 
Old 11-17-2011, 07:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
Polymorphic Modder
 
SoobieOut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 307

2006 DaCivic Hybrid - '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
90 day: 45.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 188
Thanked 39 Times in 24 Posts
I have grappled with this topic for years. It boils down to the only thing in life we can control or own is our attitude. Even in the face of having every last part of life counted, taxed and siezed.

Often wondered why there is a tax credit for having kids, when the schools they require add to the costs for government.

You could move to Alaska, where every citizen gets a dividend each year just for living there. I think last year it was $5K per person. So a family of 6 would get a $30K check each year!!!
 
Old 11-17-2011, 08:32 AM   #8 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,927
Thanks: 877
Thanked 2,020 Times in 1,303 Posts
States like Florida allow property tax exemptions for residents after 5 years, or at least they did when I lived there. They make their money on tolls and other user fees. My preference would be to have taxes on consumption, which rewards conservation.

I know of examples where I live in Va where older people have to choose between essential medications, food, and paying taxes to avoid confiscation of their property. In some cases the tax is more than they paid for the land after residing for 40+ years.

MY suggestion would be to energise the senior population to see if you can get the homesteaders exemption type law passed in your areas.

You have to laugh when you get a tax bill on a 40 year old vehicle, but at least here in York County we are only paying a rate of .684%. It is my understanding that there are places in the northern midwest where the rates are up to 10 times higher.

Many of our schools here are 50 years old. In some cases they use trailer units instead of building expensive new schools.

regards
Mech
 
Old 11-17-2011, 11:28 AM   #9 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,209
Thanks: 225
Thanked 808 Times in 592 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Mechanic View Post
Many of our schools here are 50 years old.
Well, Oxford seems to be doing pretty good at about a thousand years old :-)
 
Old 11-17-2011, 12:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,752

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,581
Thanked 3,537 Times in 2,209 Posts
Quote:
MY suggestion would be to energise the senior population to see if you can get the homesteaders exemption type law passed in your areas.
Heck, we had that for decades but MN govt shut down last summer and to get it going again the geniuses at the capital threw the homestead exemption away. Moving in the right direction or the wrong... I guess I'll find out when I get my proposed prop tax statement.

__________________


 
Closed Thread  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com