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 03-26-2012, 07:13 PM #1 (permalink) Drive less save more     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,189 Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI TEAM VW AUDI Group 90 day: 60.42 mpg (US) Thanks: 134 Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts cost of ownership for the chevy volt I received this cost of ownership account and at first I thought this must be false then I did some internet searches to get to the bottom of it and low and behold it turned out to be true. Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh Of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) \$1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x \$1.16 per kwh = \$18.56 to charge the battery. \$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = \$0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. \$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = \$0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about \$15,000 while the Volt costs \$46,000......... So Chevy wants us to pay 3 times as much, for a car that costs more that 7 times as much to run, and takes 3 times longer to drive across country..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ __________________ Save gas Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun __________________
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 03-26-2012, 07:41 PM #3 (permalink) (:     Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: up north Posts: 12,738 Blue - '93 Ford Tempo Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US) F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4 90 day: 18.5 mpg (US) Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US) ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate 90 day: 33.65 mpg (US) Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon 90 day: 21.24 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,572 Thanked 3,508 Times in 2,195 Posts Total rubbish. __________________
 03-26-2012, 07:42 PM #4 (permalink) Drive less save more     Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,189 Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI TEAM VW AUDI Group 90 day: 60.42 mpg (US) Thanks: 134 Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts Hard to believe isn't it. But its a FAIL ! __________________ Save gas Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun __________________
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I only had to look at one number, \$1.16 per kWh :

Are You Paying More Than Average for Electricity

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 The average price that people pay for electricity based on the per kWh price varies significantly from region to region. For example, the non-contiguous states (Alaska and Hawaii) pay an average of 21.34 cents per kWh. In contrast, the West North Central States (including Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota among others) are paying only 9.07 cents per kWh. Within each region, the amount can vary from state to state. For example, Vermont and Connecticut are both in New England where the average rate is 17.5 cents per kWh but Vermont averages only 14.9 cents per kWh whereas Connecticut averages 20.36 cents per kWh.
In the above example the range is between 9.07 and 12.34 cents per kWh. When you divide the claimed \$1.16 cost by the actual costs you get a *range* of error between 543% and 1278% :

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```Hawaii    = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.2134 kWh =  5.43 =>  543% error
Minnesota = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.0907 kWh = 12.78 => 1278% error```
Now let's look at a Canadian power bill :

Ontario’s Power Trip: The 20% hydro grab | FP Comment | Financial Post

The bill is based on 2480 kWh of usage (for two months). Taking the highest and lowest costs leads to this :

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```highest = \$359.05 / 2480 kWh = \$0.1447 => 14.47 cents per kWh => \$0.15 per kWh
lowest  = \$297.86 / 2480 kWh = \$0.1201 => 12.01 cents per kWh => \$0.12 per kWh```
When you divide the claimed \$1.16 cost by the Canadian article cost you get a *range* of error between 773% and 966% :

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```highest = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.15 kWh = 7.73 => 773% error
lowest  = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.12 kWh = 9.66 => 966% error```
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 03-26-2012, 08:59 PM #7 (permalink) Master EcoModder   Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,136 Impala FFV - '10 Chevy Impala LT 90 day: 29.54 mpg (US) XFE Coupe - '09 Chevy Cobalt XFE Team Chevy 90 day: 37.17 mpg (US) Penny's Rogue - '15 Nissan Rogue SL AWD 90 day: 29 mpg (US) Cam's Rogue - '11 Nissan Rogue SV AWD 90 day: 26 mpg (US) Elantra - '17 Hyundia Elantra SE Team Hyundai 90 day: 3.39 mpg (US) Cruze Limited - '16 Chevy Cruze Limited LT 90 day: 40 mpg (US) Thanks: 271 Thanked 217 Times in 184 Posts I think your messed up your KWH cost, I haven't looked at my wife's bill in a year or 2 but last time it was closer to \$0.12/KWH, so just saying 0.16/KWH X 16 = \$2.56. \$2.56/25 miles = .10/mile, little cheaper per mile than my Stratus, but not much, and it didn't cost 40k. Edit: CFG beat me to it, too slow typing.
 03-26-2012, 10:25 PM #8 (permalink) (:     Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: up north Posts: 12,738 Blue - '93 Ford Tempo Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US) F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4 90 day: 18.5 mpg (US) Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US) ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate 90 day: 33.65 mpg (US) Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon 90 day: 21.24 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,572 Thanked 3,508 Times in 2,195 Posts Carlos: exactly... but there's so much more wrong with it too! Battery charge time isn't trip time especially if you don't need to charge the battery to keep going- just drive, drive, drive, gas up, and drive some more, just like any other car. Or, it appears Faux didn't include fueling time for the gasser. The electricity AND gas prices are whacked. IIRC the Volt's battery is good for much more than 25 miles... unless one is driving like a complete ass, and desperately trying to slant their story... I'd like to know where the utilities vary the electric rate per kwh by season??? At \$1.16 his vs \$0.09 mine- a discrepancy of almost a factor of 13?!?- I wonder if that buffoon is as big a failure at reading as he is at driving and writing. __________________ Last edited by Frank Lee; 03-26-2012 at 10:42 PM..
 03-26-2012, 11:27 PM #9 (permalink) Master EcoModder   Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: houston Posts: 374 Black Knight - '94 Toyota Corolla Team Toyota 90 day: 58.53 mpg (US) Thanks: 3 Thanked 38 Times in 33 Posts I read that and there is more to the writing. I read fox news everyday but I dont read it or anything as the holly trinity. I read and make my own opinion. But the point ( that I got) no matter how you look at the numbers... he car is not worth 40k+ now would one of us that hypermile and are aware of our driving habits get better numbers. hell yes we would. did this person just jump in and drive it like stole it like the rest of the population does hell yes he did. So half of me agrees with you guys. the other half don't. The average person is a consumer The average ecomodder will recycle, reuse and repurpose. Last edited by deathtrain; 03-26-2012 at 11:39 PM..
 03-26-2012, 11:44 PM #10 (permalink) (:     Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: up north Posts: 12,738 Blue - '93 Ford Tempo Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US) F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4 90 day: 18.5 mpg (US) Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US) ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate 90 day: 33.65 mpg (US) Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon 90 day: 21.24 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,572 Thanked 3,508 Times in 2,195 Posts You want examples of vehicles not worth \$40,000, look at Yuck Ons, Escapades, lots of these fancy-boy pickups that aren't meant for work, any BMW or Merc... __________________