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Old 06-05-2011, 03:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Diesels are clean.
Just because you're burning used vegetable oil doesn't mean its not carcinogenic.

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Old 06-05-2011, 03:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Diesels are clean.
Just because you're burning used vegetable oil doesn't mean its not carcinogenic.
Lol because burning gasoline is that much healthier for you
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Lol because burning gasoline is that much healthier for you
like anything nowadays is healthier for you.

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Old 06-06-2011, 12:11 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Lol because burning gasoline is that much healthier for you
I never said it was. But since you brought it up my gasoline fueled car has closed loop O2 sensors, catalytic converters EVAP canister and its emissions are tested by the state every 2 years. More than I can say for the 20+ year old diesel jalopys smoking up the freeways with their loud and proud 'biodiesel' and 'SVO' bumper stickers. We really need a strict inspection regime for old diesels to weed out the smokers and backyard conversions.
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Lol because burning gasoline is that much healthier for you
As I've said before, diesel is NOT the miracle solution many in the US seem to think it is, and brings about other problems, like higher NOx emissions and particulate matter.
It really only takes care of the MPG / financial issue.

Even with diesel particulate filters, fears are emerging that these filters reduce the particles to even smaller but more harmful particles.

While biodiesel gives less particles, it still produces more PM than a gasoline car.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:08 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Hey I've been almost oil free for two years now (fuel from oil) yet somehow both my "20+ year old diesel jalopys" passed emission check with flying colors in 2010- No internal combustion engine is the answer when it comes to an actually clean source of power but blaming diesel's and driving a gas car thinking we're the ones messing things up is a wrong way of thinking. I'm pretty sure if we were to measure all pollution produced in gasoline production and combustion then did the same for WVO or bio-diesel they won't even be in the same time zone- fuel from veggie oil will win.

besides anyone running wvo that is billowing smoke is doing it wrong
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My top 10 list (tonight):
  1. HHO gas improves mileage
  2. magnets on the fuel line align the molecules to improve mileage
  3. metal vanes inside the air cleaner improves mixing and mileage
  4. a resistor connected to the air temperature sensor improves mileage
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#8 has a grain of truth to it.
My brother (he has a hybrid Ford) was walking the trail the other day and his sister in law took advantage of her stealth Prius approach mode to sneak up on him and yell "Boo". He swears it took a few years off his life
All joking aside, I've been looking for accident data that supports this claim and the evidence is terribly thin. The Prius-pedestrian, fatal accident rate remains half of the USA rate per mile. It turns out that SUVs and pickup trucks have a disproportionate, higher rate of pedestrian accidents. Regardless, the only proposed solution is to make hybrids just as noisy as ordinary vehicles which means:
  • Making hybrids as noisy as other cars makes them just as deadly.
It is crazy to not make them safer than other cars.

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When you think about it Bob, adding noise would make is safer than the rest because the truck/suv data still sets the average high.
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The trucks already drown everything out, louder isn't the path to safer where pedestrians are concerned, neither are DRLs.

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