Cyber Attack --> Gas Price Increase?

[Isaac Zachary]

I read an article from Car and Driver that talked about when Mazda ditched the MAZDA6 Wagon (2007?) and how their CUV alternative at that time had less passenger space, less cargo space, less power, got worse fuel mileage and cost more.

My ideal vehicle would be as efficient as possible, while still being practical. I think an Aptera-like vehicle could be made practical.

Also, my buying decisions will have to conform to the popular opinion whether I like it or not. How long will I keep my current cars? 10, 20, 30 years from now, will the only thing I'll be able to buy is a CUV, new or used?

[Autobahnschleicher]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Am I bad for wanting fuel prices to increase to the point people would stop buying CUV's?

Would be funny to see gasoiline at 5€/L here and 10-15$/gallon in the US for a while.
I don't realy need to drive much as I work from home, ride my bike most of the time and my motorcycle needs some 2L/100 km.

Would be funny to see what happens to all these trucks/SUVs over in the US

[LingLongRaceTeam]

If you just cant afford to drive to work anymore, you report sick and the end of the budget.

And if you would need a plumper etc. he will charge you for his transportation costs. Just as the food prices will also increase, they dont move by ghosthand to your shop

[Autobahnschleicher]

I said "for a while" for a reason.
And 5€/L or 10-15$/gallon wouldn't exactly be a death-sentence to people.
Driving would only get a little more expensive, especialy for oversized vehicles.
People would still get to work, but likely carpool more.

[LingLongRaceTeam]

Who defines what is "oversized"? If people think they need a truck or big SUV they may have their reasons for that. And they pay more for it.

If you start with that BS for whatever reason you end up like in socialism.
If the car size is so important, and the type?
Why have personal cars anyway?
Flying Pidgeon Bicycle enough to go to slave-wage work,.. want a car? get in line maggot, after 12 Years your Trabant twostroke will be ready, youre going to need that time so save up the money anyway... Dont like it? shut up or no potatoes in the winter.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by LingLongRaceTeam

Who defines what is "oversized"? If people think they need a truck or big SUV they may have their reasons for that. And they pay more for it.

If you start with that BS for whatever reason you end up like in socialism.
If the car size is so important, and the type?
Why have personal cars anyway?
Flying Pidgeon Bicycle enough to go to slave-wage work,.. want a car? get in line maggot, after 12 Years your Trabant twostroke will be ready, youre going to need that time so save up the money anyway... Dont like it? shut up or no potatoes in the winter.

They do have the right to buy whatever they want, but what about me? So I have the right to go buy whatever vehicle suits me, right? How about a new station wagon?... Oh wait, they don't sell those anymore in the USA because everyone else wants an SUV. So now my choices are dwindling unless I join the SUV band wagon.

The minivan will be the next vehicle to disappear. The choices are starting to become either an economy car or an SUV of some sort. Anything else will be offered in the luxury category only.

[Autobahnschleicher]

Oh, I forgot.
A single occupant absolutely needs a 2 ton vehicle to go to work.

[redpoint5]

My 0.6L motorcycle weighs under 500 lbs and gets worse fuel economy than my 1.8L 1.5-ton Prius.

Larger vehicles don't necessarily have to be inefficient, and vice versa. The RAV4 Prime supposedly achieves 40 MPG while having 300 horsepower on tap.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

My 0.6L motorcycle weighs under 500 lbs and gets worse fuel economy than my 1.8L 1.5-ton Prius.

Larger vehicles don't necessarily have to be inefficient, and vice versa. The RAV4 Prime supposedly achieves 40 MPG while having 300 horsepower on tap.

The RAV4 also has less leg room, 4-star overall NHTSA crash-test rating, barely makes the IIHS's Top Safety Picks list (only with certain options) and with the same engine configuration gets less fuel mileage than the Camry, even though it's only about 50 to 70lbs heavier than the Camry.

The Camry, on the other hand, has more leg room, a perfect NHTSA crash-test rating, is on the Top Safety Picks Plus list, and, when paired with the same engine, gets better fuel mileage than the RAV4.

What the RAV4 has going for it is higher ground clearance and double the cargo capacity and that they made a Prime version of it. The RAV4 may have more head room, but after being in the rear of a few and in the rear of several Camrys, I'd take the Camry any day for better leg room.

[redpoint5]

Every design has its advantages and disadvantages.

I'm 6'2" and never had headroom clearance issues except for a 1998 Camry with moonroof, and it was minor. Usually I can simply lower the seat height.

My preference is better handling than ground clearance in most cases, but I'd like at least 1 vehicle capable of crawling up rarely traveled logging roads.

In my view, the gen III Prius was close to the ideal in utility and efficiency. I can fit a ton of stuff in it, with great effort travel some pretty gnarly logging roads, it handles fine, it's comfortable enough... it does everything pretty well.