debunking anti-BEV propaganda

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

I'm a bit surprise how much talk about EVs focuses on CO2 instead of local air pollution.

Agreed, which is why I begrudgingly accept that local ordinances are appropriate, which can include California setting their own standards which tend to dictate vehicle designs for the rest of the country, since it's the largest market in the US.

I'm disappointed that VW diesel-gate money went towards them owning a near monopoly on the DCFC infrastructure rather than something else, like EV school busses. That more directly addresses what they are accused of; diesel particulate pollution negatively impacting health. Where better to reduce diesel emissions than around all children, on a daily basis?

...and this comment reminded me of the cartoon freebeard shared, probably in the thread that should not be mentioned.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Human combustion of fossil fuel, each year, is equivalent to a forest fire covering the entire surface of Earth, oceans, deserts, high mountains, etc., included, times 1.75, each year. That's the 'arithmetic' of global warming.

I've looked at the burning of boatloads of fossil fuels every day in a similar way. It's a massive, continuous, massively polluting fire.

I like the way that Jeremy Rifkin characterizes climate change:

*quote*

Climate is all about the shift of the hydrological cycle, the water cycle: for every degree that the temperature goes up on the planet, the atmosphere absorbs 7 percent more precipitation from the ground. That means the whole water cycle of the planet shifts. More floods, more tsunamis, more hurricanes, more violent snows, longer periods of drought—that’s what’s going on around the world today.

Global ecosystems cannot catch up to a shift in our water. Drastic changes in the hydrological cycle leave ecosystems destabilized—and then the animals and plants within those systems die out. So what our scientists are now telling us is that we are in the early stages of the sixth great extinction event in the history of the planet.

*end quote*

https://www.tikkun.org/a-conversatio...al-revolution/

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by ERTW

You lost me at "mitigate climate change". We're near a minimum in this latest interglacial period...meaning 3* cooler than the peak. Even the most extreme doomsday "prediction" is 2.5* warmer than today in the next century. CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, humans actually produce a small fraction of total global CO2, and cars/commercial/refineries produce a small fraction of that. The tail doesn't wag the dog.

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What are the conclusions that come from what you posted?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

I've looked at the burning of boatloads of fossil fuels every day in a similar way. It's a massive, continuous, massively polluting fire.

I like the way that Jeremy Rifkin characterizes climate change:

*quote*

Climate is all about the shift of the hydrological cycle, the water cycle: for every degree that the temperature goes up on the planet, the atmosphere absorbs 7 percent more precipitation from the ground. That means the whole water cycle of the planet shifts. More floods, more tsunamis, more hurricanes, more violent snows, longer periods of drought—that’s what’s going on around the world today.

Global ecosystems cannot catch up to a shift in our water. Drastic changes in the hydrological cycle leave ecosystems destabilized—and then the animals and plants within those systems die out. So what our scientists are now telling us is that we are in the early stages of the sixth great extinction event in the history of the planet.

*end quote*

https://www.tikkun.org/a-conversatio...al-revolution/

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[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I'm a fan of EVs but don't need to form a religion around it. I find myself debunking EV myths in other forums. Some people need to believe EVs will either save us or doom us.

I have never seen any self-declared EV fan claiming EVs would doom us, yet once in a while I see some highly-greenwashed EV fan stating that a random Chinese EV could be more "sustainable" than a Honda CG with a side-car and a flexfuel engine running on ethanol

[bwilson4web]

• 13% free miles - for the past year, my 2019 Tesla Model 3 Std Rng Plus got free charging while shopping, meetings, or meals.
• $2.50/100 mi - what it cost to operate the Model 3 using home charging. Benchmarks show it has 215 mi EV range.
• $2.75/100 mi - the 2017 BMW i3 REx cost around town. Benchmarks show it has 106 mi EV range today.
• $8.00/100 mi - Model 3 cost using SuperChargers for cross country trips. August 2023.
• $11.00/100 mi - 2017 BMW i3-REx mid-grade, gasoline for cross country trips. August 2023. Benchmarked 88 miles per tank.
• $15,000 - used purchase price for 2017 BMW i3-REx in August 2023 with 55,000 mi and 95% battery capacity.
• $24,000 - new purchase price Model 3 Std Rng Plus, $42,000 - $18,300 trade-in March 2019 with 100% battery capacity.

Bob Wilson