debunking anti-BEV propaganda

[freebeard]

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Why had noone mentiond this before?

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

People are habitual creatures, not rational.

Of course.

When we lost power for 2 weeks during the ice storm, my grandmother refused to let us run a space heater in her room from a genset. She kept referring to the utilities estimate that power would be restored by 5pm on Sunday (in just a few hours). Look out the window. There's 2 miles of down power lines. You don't fix 2 miles of down power lines out in the boonies in a few hours when cities have priority.

For some older folks it's quite hard to let some habits go.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

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Why had noone mentiond this before?

Because none of you guys remain 40-years behind the times like I do!

[ERTW]

Originally Posted by aerohead

* There's a link to a link for the Yale research.
* All your points are addressed by Jonny Lieberman.
* BEV battery production averages the pollution of 74-gallons of gas.
* Where ICE vehicles need 9-million barrels of oil/day, BEVs require only 2.3-million barrels/day equivalency.
* Energy infrastructure capacity buildout for BEVs requires only 25.5% that of ICE for equivalency.
* ICE is a whale oil lamp, vs LED for BEVs.
* BEVs can operate without fossil fuel. ICE cannot.
* BEVs can mitigate climate change. ICE cannot.
* BEV regen can recover braking energy. ICE cannot.
* BEV sedan pollution equations favor BEV over ICE after 1.4-1.5-years.
* BEV SUVs after about 1.6- 1.9-years.
* Even with a 2-year lease on a BEV will net out better than ICE.
* In 2022, about 22% of the US power grid was green.
* 2023 is expected to be 24%.
* Wind is predicted to grow 3-X by 2040.
* Solar is predicted to grow 4-X by 2040.
* BEV pickup trucks after about 1.6-years.

You lost me at "mitigate climate change". We're near a minimum in this latest interglacial period...meaning 3* cooler than the peak. Even the most extreme doomsday "prediction" is 2.5* warmer than today in the next century. CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, humans actually produce a small fraction of total global CO2, and cars/commercial/refineries produce a small fraction of that. The tail doesn't wag the dog.

Buying a six figure car to "save gas" and "fight climate change" sounds like propaganda. I agree that cars aren't evolving nearly quickly enough, but put some blame on the EPA and NHTSA for legislating cars into the porkers they are now. A remake of the 1994 Civic DX with a small turbo diesel would get better-than-hybrid economy, and be affordable-but it's illegal.

[redpoint5]

It's a 3rd rail topic. People want to believe they can pay indulgences in the form of consumerism to get into the good graces of Gaia. There are worse religions and practices though.

I'm a fan of EVs but don't need to form a religion around it. I find myself debunking EV myths in other forums. Some people need to believe EVs will either save us or doom us.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by ERTW

You lost me at "mitigate climate change". We're near a minimum in this latest interglacial period...meaning 3* cooler than the peak. Even the most extreme doomsday "prediction" is 2.5* warmer than today in the next century. CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, humans actually produce a small fraction of total global CO2, and cars/commercial/refineries produce a small fraction of that. The tail doesn't wag the dog.

Buying a six figure car to "save gas" and "fight climate change" sounds like propaganda. I agree that cars aren't evolving nearly quickly enough, but put some blame on the EPA and NHTSA for legislating cars into the porkers they are now. A remake of the 1994 Civic DX with a small turbo diesel would get better-than-hybrid economy, and be affordable-but it's illegal.

Human combustion of fossil fuel, each year, is equivalent to a forest fire covering the entire surface of Earth, oceans, deserts, high mountains, etc., included, times 1.75, each year. That's the 'arithmetic' of global warming.

[oil pan 4]

And if everyone on earth switched to EVs it becomes what, 1.5 surfaces of earth worth of forest being burnt.
Trying to decarbonize anything but the power grid with anything other than nuclear is a joke.

[freebeard]

Human combustion of fossil fuel, each year, is equivalent to a forest fire covering the entire surface of Earth, oceans, deserts, high mountains, etc., included, times 1.75, each year. That's the 'arithmetic' of global warming.

Not the first time you've made that assertion. Sources?

The last time that happened was IIRC the Younger Dryas. The smoke precipitated a reversion to Ice Age conditions.

[JSH]

I'm a bit surprise how much talk about EVs focuses on CO2 instead of local air pollution. Global warming and climate change is an abstract topic for most people and covers a decades long timeline. On the other hand smog is something that people can see with their own eyes and feel in their own lungs. The wind changes and in a day or two clear skies turn brown and one can look at the horizon and not see mountains that are only 50 miles away. Then the wind changes again and the pollution is blown away and the sky is clear again. It is something that can happen in a matter of days or weeks instead of talking about CO2 concentrations and temperatures decades into the future.

In my opinion the primary reason to move to EV is to clean up urban air quality - reduction in CO2 is just a bonus.

[freebeard]

In the 1970s I was headed East on 126 when I noticed the setting Sun was perfectly centered in the round rear view mirror, and I wished I had a camera. A few seconds later I realized it was setting into the air pollution and the real sunset came a little later.