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Old 01-19-2012, 01:42 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Separately excited DC motors can do regen as well as AC. You have 2 separate pwm signals. One for field A, and one for field B. I
Jerry at EV Weblog used a conventional DC motor wth a ZAPI controller in his first EV that gave him regen. Search around his site.

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Old 01-25-2012, 11:42 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I just looked through there. The only reference I found to the Zapi was blowing it up.....

Even if you can do regen with a series-wound motor. I think you start to get into issues if you are going higher voltages, so that the brushes are advanced. That would also mean that you wouldn't want an electric reverse with advanced brush timing either.

AC motors avoid that issue, but require pretty high voltage, thus, MANY batteries (and their bulk and weight.)

Here's something I was wondering about.....

I was sort of imagining that a four-wheel drive ICE in front EV in rear parallel hybrid might use a pickup truck rear live axle, and have the electric motor more or less directly connected to that. Truck rear axles are simple, and there are plenty of them around.

I wasn't really thinking about what else was out there that was rear-wheel drive. The other day, I got an e-mail from somebody about "Has anyone ever done a VW Golf EV conversion?". Of course the answer is yes, and I pointed the person to the Volkswagen section of the EV Album. Once I was there, I realized that half of the VW EV conversions were Beetles - which were rear-wheel drive.

What would it take to put a VW Beetle rear-wheel drive system into a front-wheel drive Golf or a Rabbit Pickup truck?

Correct me if I am wrong, but the VW Beetle already has a long track record of EV conversion and is known for simplicity. I believe that the transmission/axle is right in the middle of the the two rear wheels, and that the engine comes out back behind the wheels, right? That sounds like a nearly ideal setup to add an electric motor to. I know that there are even already stock adapter plates a person can buy to go from the motor to the transmission.

Another thing I was wondering about is -
Series-Wound DC motors have lots of torque, but generally are not good as generators. If directly connected to the differential, there would also be unneeded wear on the brushes, as the motor would spin with the back wheels as the front-wheel ICE is propelling the car.

From what I hear, an AC motor directly on a rear differential just won't have the torque wanted for pushing around the car. It really needs the gearing of a transmission. But maybe not all the gears? Could it be adapted to just have LOW and HIGH for example?

If a series-wound motor was on a rear transmission, the tranny could be used to put it in neutral, and not have brush or bearing wear on the motor when in ICE mode.

How difficult fabrication-wise would it be to adapt a VW Beetle back-end to a Golf or Rabbit? It would have the advantage of being all metric, might even take the same size tires/rims/bolt pattern.

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I would say: very difficult. I'd think you'd be better off compiling a list of 4WD vehicles and choosing from that. Unfortunately all the relatively light/non-truck ones I can think of are probably long gone (Tercel wagon, Honda Civic wagon, Subaru Loyale wagon, etc.)

Also we forgot to include this car on the list - probably the most complete DIY parallel hybrid (4WD) out there:

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Dang, the front half of an EV-1! That seems like cheating.
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Hey Ben,
Here is a link to a Ford Escort Wagon hybrid. Since this site will not let me post a link, go to the world wide web dot evalbum dot com backslash 3257 and you will see a white 1997 ford escort with gas engine in the front and an electric motor and transmission in the back

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Added the link - thanks for posting that, Electrify!
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A small Subaru may work out nicely. They come in sedan and wagon form.
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Here is a link to a Ford Escort Wagon hybrid.

Peter Deptula's 1997 Ford Escort
WOW! Great Link! That's the sort of thing I'm looking for!

That's a BIG electric motor in the back of that thing!
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I hope this is the right thread to ask
on the ac motor rpm would you use higher rated rpm or smaller ?
I read somewhere use close to 1775 rpm because higher you lose torque is this true?
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on hp if my ice motor is 155hp - 200hp then I would need at minimun ac motor 15 -20 hp
from what I have read in research is this true?

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Been busy with lots of other things lately.... Like trying to win Instructables contests... (hint, look at the first place NOT grand prize winner....)

But I was finally able to make it back to the Milwaukee Makerspace a few times lately, where I'm starting to work with the laser-cutter there. I'm hoping to be able to make a custom, logo-etched, clear plastic case for my 500 amp Open ReVolt controller.

A long while back, some of us went on a field trip and did a pick and pull of forklift motors. We ended up with 4 matched Crown 12" series wound motors. Right now, two guys are nearing completion on a pair of EV Ford Rangers, and another guy just started a Saab conversion with motor #3.

That only leaves one left.





Two main problems with a homebuilt EV or Hybrid. The average person just isn't impressed. Either they ask how far can it go, and then scoff, or they poo-poo the performance, and then scoff.

Rather than build something for efficiency, looks, or cool factor, what if it was built for both range and tire-burning ability?

A high-performance plug-in hybrid would be able to drive a great distance (on liquid fuel) but also have high-torque with a BIG electric motor!

I'm thinking that I take my S10, drop the Mercedes 240D diesel in there (I know, I've been talking about that forever!....) run the output of the transmission to that 12" forklift motor, and that to the rear differential.

No it won't have regen. Yes, it will be able to run on diesel, bio-diesel, maybe veggie oil, AND electricity.

I ran this idea past a couple other guys, and none of them thought I was insane.

The insane part is that I was disappointed that the 3 motor was going to be used because it meant that I didn't have TWO of them that I could Siamese-Twin together! This type of motor has both a driveshaft and a tailshaft, meaning that there are drives on BOTH ends to connect one motor to another or to and/or from a driveshaft.

Oh well, I'll keep my salvage buddies on the lookout for another one of those motors.

With just one, I'll only need ONE 1000-Amp Open Revolt to run it!

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