06-23-2011, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mcrews
wow.
no really, wow.
Do either of you actually read what you write??
"Never in my cars, never"
really?
two thoughts........
1. If I gave you a million dollars you would. Or your just ..........
2. Maybe Chalton Heston can pull off the "have to pry it out of my cold hand" attitude to the NRA, but that is a little 'over dramatic' for a little forum......
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Pot, meet kettle. We'll see what happens when that "millyun dollars" shows up. Until then, NEVER.
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WOW.......what a relief to have your expert opinion.
Guess that when the QUAKER STATE (that is a pretty popular brand of oil sold at walmart) has a HIGH MILEAGE product that says with SLICK 50.........
must be some chicken shxx bs that is sold black market to walmart.......
heck......it's probaly some uotlaw off-shore company.........
THe oil used in this analysis is the High Mileage Quaker state w/ slick 50.
AND HAVE BEEN USING SINCE 80k.
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06-24-2011, 05:52 AM
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I once gained maybe 8-10% using a variety of additives in engine/trans/diff with a 280ZX....moly...teflon...militec. mostly teflon in trans/diff...different additive each 3K oil change in the engine.
Now adding Motorsilk (boron) to engine, gas, and auto trans.
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06-24-2011, 06:59 AM
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I've used Slick 50 before, but not since reading that the particles of PTFE are more likely to end up inside the oil filter than bond to any of the sliding surfaces of the engine.
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06-24-2011, 11:05 AM
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I am not too keen on this notion of adding additives to your oil, but I would think as long as oil has been being produced to lubricate parts inside an engine, it has probably gone through more than a few refinement processes from the manufacturers, where certain additives were added to increase its effectiveness and improve its breakdown time. I don't know how far fetched that idea might be, but I do always hear people talking about the advancement in technology in engine oil, so something has to be going on right?
With all that said, I am not for or against additives. I have never used them simply because every owners manual I have ever read with the vehicles I have owned have expressly forbidden it.
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06-24-2011, 11:39 AM
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I use Slick 50 or a similar lower cost alternative in all my cars once every 50K miles. I started using it in my '88 Escort in '93 at 150K miles when I bought the car. The original engine is still going without any rebuilds and is currently at 516K+ miles. I'm not saying the additive has helped, but it sure hasn't hurt anything.
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06-24-2011, 12:21 PM
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It's very telling that the advertising for the product claims teflon "bonds" to engine parts is a lie. That disqualifies it for me regardless of whether it helps, harms, or does nothing but lighten one's wallet.
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06-24-2011, 03:31 PM
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wow.
no really, wow.
Do either of you actually read what you write??
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I did read what I wrote. Did you?
All I said is "I won't put it in my cars."
Well, I also made the assertion that Quaker State selling an oil with Slick-50 in it doesn't mean squat about its effectiveness, just its ability to help them sell oil.
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06-24-2011, 08:48 PM
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I would be pretty cautious about using any additive that says shake well before pouring into the engine.
NOTE: Slick 50 is bad for hydraulic lifters.
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06-25-2011, 04:55 AM
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This is an interesting read.
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The basic ingredient is the same in most of these additives: 50 weight engine oil with standard additives. The magic ingredient in Slick 50, Liquid Ring, Matrix, QM1 and T-Plus from K-Mart is Polytetrafluoroethylene. Don't try to pronounce it: call it PTFE. But don't call it Teflon, which is what it is, because that is a registered trademark. Dupont, who invented Teflon, claims that "Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion engines." But what do they know? They haven't seen the secret studies done by Petrolon (Slick 50).
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In defense of Slick 50, tests done on a Chevy 6 cylinder engine by the University of Utah Engineering Experiment Station found that after treatment with the PTFE additive the test engine's friction was reduced by 13.1 percent, the output horsepower increased from 5.3 percent to 8.1 percent, and fuel economy improved as well. Unfortunately, the same tests concluded that "There was a pressure drop across the oil filter resulting from possible clogging of small passageways." Oil analysis showed that iron contamination doubled after the treatment, indicating that engine wear increased (Rau).
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I think you pays your money and takes your choice really. Most modern decent oils contain all the additives required and being synthetic or partly synthetic do not break down as quickly or as fully as they used to.
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06-25-2011, 05:06 PM
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I tried slick 50 once when it first came out on my 63 t-bird. No real improvement in fuel economy or power. Looking at the stuff as I poured it in I could see the teflon as a sort of sludge in the bottom of the container that didn't want to pour out. It was then that I read the shake well before use on the label. No big deal I poured some oil in the bottle and shook it up and got it out. Of course I'm sure that the stuff just settled some place in my engine.
Synthetics are a better way to go IMHO. They don't have particles to settle
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