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[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

10x feet of elevation gain? Aren't the Sea of Cortez and The Pacific Ocean at the same level?

There is a mountain range between the Salton Sea and the Pacific.

[freebeard]

Disambiguated. I knew that. 3600ft over 100 miles is not much longer.

The geological barrier is trivial compared to the 'real' estate. Our biggest problems are all in our minds.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Disambiguated. I knew that. 3600ft over 100 miles is not much longer.

Not much longer but a lot more pump stations that not only are expensive to build but need to be powered 24/7.

Originally Posted by freebeard

The geological barrier is trivial compared to the 'real' estate. Our biggest problems are all in our minds.

I wouldn't call the requirement to pay people when you seize their property to be "all in our minds".

[freebeard]

It sounds like they're fighting gravity (else skin friction). Siphons shouldn't need pumps. Possibly the solution would be an hydrophobic lining or sleeve in the tunnel.

Eminent domain certainly makes sense within that framing, but other cultures question whether you can really own your Mother. Can we compromise and say 'Our biggest problems are all in our legal system'? or 'Rule of law is fine, but it's gone on far too long'?

I see a technical problem. A tunnel 3960 feet underground is qualitatively different to a canal running through the lawyers' back yard.

[Piotrsko]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I see a technical problem. A tunnel 3960 feet underground is qualitatively different to a canal running through the lawyers' back yard.

The canal the associated rights and precedent is already there. While theoretically property rights create a fustrum in the earths core and a parcel with a rather large base 100 miles up, that has been held to be impracticable and only useful for mineral extraction of ownership, sometimes. Therefore the tunnel difficulty is technological more than legal unless that's what you just implied. Obviously I didn't get it.

[aerohead]

Richard Bookstaber, formerly with the University of California pension fund and founder and Chief Risk Officer of Fabric, was the recent guest of Consuelo Mack's WEALTH TRACK, on PBS Television.
he made the comment that ' you don't want to wait to spend on climate change.'
He spoke of companies having 'social purpose' be interested in the 'public good' 'social values' and not discounting implications of the future today.

[freebeard]

he made the comment that ' you don't want to wait to spend on climate change.'
He spoke of companies having 'social purpose' be interested in the 'public good' 'social values' and not discounting implications of the future today.

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[Varn]

I have to disagree with the sense of putting someone else's garbage dump outside of where they live. We live rural by choice and have experienced in the past power companies coming in and generating large amounts of power and pollution without benefit to the local community.

The world economy is like that, In the US we enjoy the cheaper goods but don't have to pay for the dust and pollution, it is all invisible to us consumers. We don't have the mines or "dirty" industries for the elemental ingredients that make up our society.

Hitting on China, they have some virtual slave workers, much of it based on religion.

Anytime we are releasing energy to be used as work there are changes to the environment around us.

I doubt if there is any industry that operates without consumption of water. It is a red herring in the big picture.

Originally Posted by Hersbird

In the US it makes more sense to put the reactors far away from populated areas. There wouldn't be enough homes in a radius around the power plant to justify the hot water. Plus water doesn't have to be "used" at a power plant meaning there is no waste. It all just gets continously recycled back through the steam generators. You don't want to remove much of the heat, just enough to condense the steam back into water so it can be pumped again back into the steam generators. The hotter it stays the easier it is to make steam again.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by Varn

I have to disagree with the sense of putting someone else's garbage dump outside of where they live. We live rural by choice and have experienced in the past power companies coming in and generating large amounts of power and pollution without benefit to the local community.

The world economy is like that, In the US we enjoy the cheaper goods but don't have to pay for the dust and pollution, it is all invisible to us consumers. We don't have the mines or "dirty" industries for the elemental ingredients that make up our society.

Hitting on China, they have some virtual slave workers, much of it based on religion.

Anytime we are releasing energy to be used as work there are changes to the environment around us.

I doubt if there is any industry that operates without consumption of water. It is a red herring in the big picture.

Well there wouldn't be a Colstrip Montana without a massive strip of coal running on or near the surface there. The community was built there because of good paying mining and power plant jobs. There are tons of similar no-man's land all over the west, Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska. The benifits to the community are the same benefits Delaware gets from having big banking corporations headquartered there, or Detroit got in it's prime making cars there. Power generation certainly uses less water than food generation in any of those areas. In a power plant the water doesn't go anywhere. Any water vapor you see rising from a cooling tower is just condensation from the surrounding air. It's a radiator like on your car, the coolant inside is permanently recycled.

[freebeard]

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