01-17-2010, 12:38 PM
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Whats the special word I'm looking for here...
Oh ya
BULL ****
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01-17-2010, 02:29 PM
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Body language conveys emotion, but not rational arguments. A video will express how the author feels about the subject, which I suppose is better if you're chatting with a friend. However, for a rational discussion, body language only gets in the way. Text is the way to go.
I didn't watch the videos.
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Have you noticed the amount of arguments that get started in forums and the like where face to face interaction isn't a part of the discussion?
Body language, as well as facial expression and voice inflection help to convey a point or feeling, making a person's argument "real", rather than just words.
I argue that they are in fact necessary to a proper discussion.
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01-17-2010, 02:34 PM
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01-17-2010, 02:42 PM
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Robert - in this case there was no body language, just a voice-over that sounded as if it was for kids. I also appreciated the lack of dramatic background music.
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01-17-2010, 02:44 PM
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I should admit at this point that I didn't even watch the video... none of the three of them. I might, at some point in the future, when I'm really bored, but at this time, not so much. I don't know why, exactly, but the first 30-40 seconds of the video put me in a foul mood.
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01-17-2010, 03:05 PM
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1) I can absorb the information content maybe 10x faster by reading instead of listening/watching.
2) Video's pretty much linear and fixed speed, while I can take text at my speed. If I don't understand a point, or want to refer to it later, I can do so very easily.
3) When reading, I don't have worry about accents making speech incomprehensible, even in English. In others... well, I can read several with fair comprehension, but can only understand very simple "la plume de ma tante" French.
4) And when writing, I can take my time, lay out my arguments logically, and not for instance be tempted to punch out the lights of people who won't let you get a word in edgewise.
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01-17-2010, 03:12 PM
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1) I can absorb the information content maybe 10x faster by reading instead of listening/watching.
2) Video's pretty much linear and fixed speed, while I can take text at my speed. If I don't understand a point, or want to refer to it later, I can do so very easily.
3) When reading, I don't have worry about accents making speech incomprehensible, even in English. In others... well, I can read several with fair comprehension, but can only understand very simple "la plume de ma tante" French.
4) And when writing, I can take my time, lay out my arguments logically, and not for instance be tempted to punch out the lights of people who won't let you get a word in edgewise.
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This is a good point, specifically.
I, however, will not argue with those types of people, as it quickly becomes irrational.
In the rare event that I do discuss anything with them, it usually gets dragged out for days, because I wait for them to shut up and calm down before making a point. They eventually ask why I keep bringing it up, and then I explain (quickly, so they don't find an opening to speak) exactly why it takes so long to discuss anything rationally with them.
I try not to raise my voice, although it still happens at times, especially with my somewhat loud wife, when she chooses to ignore logic and reverts to a 12 year old mentality (it's a family thing - her whole family lives as though they don't need logic.) It's far worse now that we live with her sophomoric social butterfly of a Father, because she doesn't follow his lead anymore, she gets annoyed by it. She's stuck between his stupidity and logical thought, now.
More specifically, he's one of those people that it takes days to discuss something with, because if you make a point against him, he shuts down completely, as though we were still in 2nd or 3rd grade. I have no idea how this man made it through life, other than on the help and backs of others.
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01-17-2010, 03:28 PM
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I agreed with what the narrator says about technology creating a solution...it is not gonna happen.
solid state production is the cure, in relation to all aspects of everything and anything.. rid dynamicas until that silly graph is a straighter line of no bull****.
If I have to pump twice a 55mpg carb to cold start... so be it.

leave the locales dynamics available, instead of locked in by a midget socialist claiming the brain of the world.
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01-17-2010, 06:14 PM
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Having to watch and listen instead of read the intro here was very tedious. As a medium, video is expensive and fragile, hard to reference and easy to abuse with content that bypasses the critical faculties.
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LOL! Yep, and amen. I have ADD bad, which really isn't a deficit. I can speed read at a pretty good rate, and always have good comprehension. But listening to somebody read an argument to me is PAINFUL!!!
When I read (being ADD and capable of having, oh, 20 or 100 trains of thought running at the same time, I can be building better arguments for and constructing arguments against, all at the same time as I read. As a mathematician, I'm usually also reformatting the argument I'm reading into informal boolean"ish" syllogisms. Makes it easier to argue for or against.
But when some clown is reading it to me, I can't pick out the important words, discard the rest, and get on with it. I'm stuck hearing EVERY WORD, most of which are unimportant.
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See Jerry Mander's book "Four arguments for the elimination of Television. I'm 61, and have never owned a TV until youtube appeared.
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Somebody else has read that book? Wow. Thought I was the only one. And yes, his arguments make even more sense today.
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