Ethanol vs Ethanol FREE gas mpg?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Phase

Every source Ive seen online says when they test e10 it actually is about 12-14 percent

And apparently Biden is pushing for more ethanol in gas now to help lower prices…

Can you share those sources? Seems very risky to be running above the maximum allowable ethanol content since that exposes the fuel dispensers to liability for damage and fines from regulatory agencies.

[Phase]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Can you share those sources? Seems very risky to be running above the maximum allowable ethanol content since that exposes the fuel dispensers to liability for damage and fines from regulatory agencies.

https://youtu.be/Pd_ef6YEEtE

scotty kilmer said itll be e15 now

[Piotrsko]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Can you share those sources? Seems very risky to be running above the maximum allowable ethanol content since that exposes the fuel dispensers to liability for damage and fines from regulatory agencies.

Good luck with that. I was partially involved with the Chevron avaiation fuel fubar at Modesto back in the '90s where they mixed car gas or jet fuel into a 110ll tanker and filled up many aircraft that had subsequent engine damage. Went on for many years. My engine was 80/87 and the fuel never went below those specs, my engine showed no internal damage but the FAA MANDATORY teardown was still on my dime. Chevron sent me a $50 check from the mass settlement.

[redpoint5]

One can reject the class settlement and litigate individually, with all the hassle that entails.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

I was partially involved with the Chevron avaiation fuel fubar at Modesto back in the '90s where they mixed car gas or jet fuel into a 110ll tanker and filled up many aircraft that had subsequent engine damage.

Jet fuel is even more dangerous for an AvGas-fueled aircraft than MoGas. There was at least one incident I'm aware of that fueling a Cirrus with jet fuel caused it to lose power while taking off and falling, yet in most cases involving aircraft fueled with either low-ethanol or ethanol-free MoGas smuggled into Brazil from neighboring countries were also related to overloading the aircraft.

[Piotrsko]

That would be the pilots fault either case for not checking prior to flight. Avgas goes from either red or blue to clear when other fuels are added as does jetfuel. I knew my fuel would go clear, and it did. Nothing else to check except for level or unexpected crud in fuel sump. Once again the pissy portion was mandatory tear down that I had to pay for. Even more annoying was I had one tank of original fuel which I used for take off and initial climb so knock was improbable. Had I payed cash for the fuel, they wouldn't have had a trace method and I would have escaped teardown. Chevron did finally pay for damage, but not the teardown.

Alaskan joke:<<If your private plane isn't overloaded, you are flying solo. >>

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Had I payed cash for the fuel, they wouldn't have had a trace method and I would have escaped teardown.

When I started studying aviation-related subjects, I was already aware of the traceability issue. ANAC is quite strict sometimes...

[Caddylackn]

I found from experience running my '06 Crown Vic as a daily driver for 5 years in normal driving up until this gas crunch, that during October to March, when E10 is required here, I used at least 6% more fuel, which was like losing a gallon per tank. I went from about 290 miles a tank to about 270 miles a tank with mixed driving in my commute.

They claim E10 is for reduced emissions but I am using an additional gallon per week of E10. So about 6% reduction in gas mileage.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

It's a quite complicated math to find out if there is any actual improvement to the carbon footprint with ethanol blends. I am quite favorable to pure ethanol usage as a motor fuel, yet the E27 mandatory blend to the gasoline in my country is a controversial measure that I also tend to consider troublesome.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Caddylackn

I found from experience running my '06 Crown Vic as a daily driver for 5 years in normal driving up until this gas crunch, that during October to March, when E10 is required here, I used at least 6% more fuel, which was like losing a gallon per tank. I went from about 290 miles a tank to about 270 miles a tank with mixed driving in my commute.

They claim E10 is for reduced emissions but I am using an additional gallon per week of E10. So about 6% reduction in gas mileage.

October to March should also have cooler weather (and worse mpg).



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