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Old 06-20-2014, 09:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Europe vs US?

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We've all heard the negative references to "gas-guzzling SUVs" and Americans' "reliance on foreign oil," the inference being that folks living in the U.S. drive too much, and drive vehicles that get horrible gas mileage. Besides the fact that Americans were essentially forced into the driving lifestyle by careless strip mall planning, would you believe that the federal government is also responsible for intentionally keeping truly fuel-efficient cars off the market?

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Truly fuel-efficient cars currently available in Europe banned from US market; Americans getting ripped off - NaturalNews.com

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Old 06-20-2014, 09:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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My 2 cents. At least three things are at work here that give the UK numbers an advantage.

First, the mileage estimates in the UK are calculated using Imperial gallons, so they are already starting off with an advantage.

Second, many of the vehicles with those super high numbers are diesels. Some are tiny & most are turbo.

Third, the MPG numbers are WAY overly exaggerted. A quick look at Fuelly doesn't show me a staggering MPG difference with UK based vehicles. The numbers they come up with actually make the EPA look legitimate. (scary thought)
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Rather than blaming the government, How about doing a survey? Ask people on the street what they think about it.

If there is a mass of people asking for cars that get 100 MPG they get it because there is no sale otherwise. The thing is, Are they asking?
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
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We've all heard the negative references to "gas-guzzling SUVs" and Americans' "reliance on foreign oil," the inference being that folks living in the U.S. drive too much, and drive vehicles that get horrible gas mileage. Besides the fact that Americans were essentially forced into the driving lifestyle by careless strip mall planning, would you believe that the federal government is also responsible for intentionally keeping truly fuel-efficient cars off the market?
Duhmericans do drive too much and in guzzlers to boot. And they could do a far, far better job of living close to the things they most often do... if it wasn't so far down on their lists.

I agree that the Feds keep some nice vehicles out, like keis and some diesels and of course Honda SuperCubs.
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That Nissan starts at 24.5k Euro. What's that in USD? (over 33k)

That is a diesel. Does Nissan offer us any diesels in the US? (No)

The US version (Rogue) is 20k. USD.

It is a fair comparison of their standard to our standard. (The US only gets the CVT)

If one would like to get the French version, here, and get UP TO 61 mpg, then it would be a terrible idea to get the US version and save 13k USD.

The French Rogue gets 0 miles on 33k. If the dealer fills your tank, say 600 miles.
The US Rogue for 33k gets about 91,000 miles.

(If gas was $4 a US gallon.)

What car gets 300 mpg? I won't go to the link, FYI. It's a good thing these ratings are exactly the same, as in the US version on their standard and their version on our standard pull the same numbers- of course, otherwise this would be irrelevant!

Also, it makes complete sense- the story by these people. I mean, when I drive my own car I am very careful and not careless or reckless at all- no one is! But when I go to another country, and rent a car, I am very reckless. I abuse it, and go crazy with it. Surely these people usually maximize their fuel economy by driving intelligently, and were not subconsciously driving more carefully there.
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sorry, I don't plan further than 6 years ahead in regards to a vehicle cost. At that point the US gas vehicle will only have saved me ~8k USD. :/
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The 300 mpg car is probably the vw xl1
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The 300 mpg car is probably the vw xl1
As much as I love the XL1, it's 261 by Europes FE test, and in real life (allegedly, I have no personal experience) it does not meet that standard. I didn't think it would be that, since they are talking about an experience (2006) that was ~8 years ago.

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