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Old 03-31-2013, 08:31 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Yes, it is a very interesting experiment to try to conduct. Unfortunately, after trying the experiment a couple of times myself, as reflected in the thread, I'm only convinced that the RE92 wil reduce rolling resistance as high at 60 psi. Any farther improvements, or lack of improvements, are so small that they may well be hidden by the various noise sources. In life, we don't get to have a clear cut answer just because we want it

Hypermilers typically use 80 psi with this tire, but I've not seen evidence that they get improvement by going over 60 psi. I've begun using 60 psi on most of my Insights, and 44 on long trips for the comfort. I keep my experimental car at 80 psi.

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:12 AM   #82 (permalink)
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yeah for sure. im going with 60psi in my tires. if this set wears unevevly ill probably go 50 in the future.
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yeah for sure. im going with 60psi in my tires. if this set wears unevevly ill probably go 50 in the future.
You won't get uneven wear, if the results of hypermilers are any indication. The steel belt of the RE92 is quite stiff and stable. Insights have a slight tendency to uneven wear at any pressure, so rotate regularly.
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You won't get uneven wear, if the results of hypermilers are any indication. The steel belt of the RE92 is quite stiff and stable. Insights have a slight tendency to uneven wear at any pressure, so rotate regularly.
thanks. ill keep it at 60 unless i see any obvious problems that i wasnt having before.
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Is there a thread about how fast one can accelerate at a given engine load with various tire pressures? I found it easier to accelerate at 45 PSI than at 50 or 55 PSI, Giving better FE in shorter trips in which I mostly accelerated in Drive slowly instead of flooring it in low gear to the speed limit.

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Is there a thread about how fast one can accelerate at a given engine load with various tire pressures? I found it easier to accelerate at 45 PSI than at 50 or 55 PSI, Giving better FE in shorter trips in which I mostly accelerated in Drive slowly instead of flooring it in low gear to the speed limit.

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Intetesting question. My logic would leave me to believe decreased rolling resistance would be likely to lead to better fuel economy, especially in light of this thread. I think that the reason this study would be difficult to produce would be the vast amount of uncontrolled variables. I think the thing to is test a few tanks at each psi (maybe 3 tanks each) and note the variables along with fe of each. This might be easier to acomplish for someone that drives allot of miles or has a low end fe vehicle, as that many tanks is likely to take a long time.
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Thumbs up great test, follow-up questions

Firstly, I love this test and applaud your effort. Thank you for sharing.

In particular, I think the triplicate measurements to reveal variation was essential.

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I suppose one could *randomize* the order in which each test is run in order for any *heating effect* to reveal itself in the data.
I agree with Jim; randomizing the order of the tests is a common practice. With multiple measurements and random order, you don't need to worry about the other factors such as wind, etc. so long as you are consistent in your method. However I think it's probably fine you didn't. Indeed, randomizing would have been a pain (lots of work to pump and decreasing air). If you're very keen and have a fast air pump, I would suggest instead, as a more practical solution, to do the test in reverse order (i.e. increasing the air pressures). Perhaps that would reveal if there was a confounding variable we need to be concerned with.

What I'm more interested in is at what psi does your tread wear evenly? This is easily determined with the chalk test. Draw a line across the tread of your tires, drive a while, and see if the chalk is wearing off evenly. It's usually helpful to draw multiple lines at different positions so when you stop, at least one will be readily visible. Perhaps test both rear tires only.

Lastly, I would strongly suggest that no one exceed the maximum recommended tire pressure for daily driving for safety reasons. Although it's great to have the numbers in the test. Furthermore it hasn't been shown that exceeding the max has any benefit; a couple more runs and we can do a statistical test (e.g. Student's T).

PS. in the offroad truck scene, many fill to the max psi for freeway driving in order to save gas, but once offroad, we drop the psi way down (e.g. 6-8) for traction. I appreciated having this study actually test this common assumption.
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Draw a line across the tread of your tires, drive a while, and see if the chalk is wearing off evenly. It's usually helpful to draw multiple lines at different positions so when you stop, at least one will be readily visible.
I just drive on a dusty dirt road long enough to coat the tires with dust, then hit the pavement. Tells me how much crown I've made on the tread due to overinflation, then I adjust accordingly. My fwd cars are all nose heavy so they get a few psi more in the front than the rear.
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I think it's very important to point out to readers that tires are tested to a maximum recommended pressure by the tire manufacturer. They have a significant amount of wiggle room in this. A little birdy told me that premium brands will typically over-do this by 50% this and "drive" the tire at max weight and 25% over max speed to achieve a statistically small chance of a blowout.

Over-inflation can lead to less traction, especially during a panic stop. It can also lead to blow-outs at high speed. Ask firestone about that. I wouldn't recommend going over the max on the tire. Suppose you're in a crash due to a blowout or loss of control. If someone is injured they will check the tire pressures among other things. Just make sure you understand that if you're going to over-inflate, there are risks.

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Ask them what? I thought their problems were partly due to underinflation.

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